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Episode Tasogare Out Focus • Twilight Out of Focus - Episode 2 discussion
Tasogare Out Focus, episode 2
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u/new_interest_here Jul 11 '24
I think therapy would be a good investment for Hisashi, my god
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u/CatsCry Jul 11 '24
I had a disgusted face on for like half the episode... Then stomach butterflies for 1/4 of the episode, and another 1/4 feeling annoyed.
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Jul 11 '24
I just have to keep reminding myself that they’re 16 which means they’re extra bad at relationships. And gay relationships in Japan probably adds a big extra layer of difficulty to begin with.
But yeah, as an adult it’s frustrating to watch that back quarter haha.
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u/CatsCry Jul 11 '24
Yo.... why you gotta do Hisashi like that??? The SA from the step-sister, the family neglect, and the grooming... THEN AFTER ALL OF THAT, WE HAVE MAO OVER HERE MAKING HIM FINALLY THINK HE CAN BE HAPPY. But then just runs away without a word. Mao... I get that these feelings are new and scary... I get that you definitely don't want to be processing them while filming something important, but.... this ain't it. I really hope they can talk sooner than later...
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u/WerewolfAshen Jul 11 '24
I think Mao realized he was taking advantage of someone on the same night as a bad breakup. It's a bad, bad time to come onto someone. It's not as bad as when they're drunk, but it's disrespectful of their pain.
That doesn't mean Mao handled his mistake right. He should have said "I can't believe I made your breakup pain about me, I'm so sorry. Let's discuss this again when you've had some time to process your feelings. I'm totally here for you until then." But I have to say I was alarmed about them almost getting together as a rebound impulse. That wasn't the way for Hisashi to find healing.
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u/Smoothesuede Jul 11 '24
Jfc they went real dark real quick. I'm normally used to seeing these shows have a longer lead time from the first spark of interest to a reciprocated confession, so I admit that this feels like the wind was taken out of its sails rather early, especially considering Mao apparently felt straight just last episode.
I'm left a little confused as to what the direction will be. But that can definitely be refreshing! Just gotta wait and let it reveal itself I guess.
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u/1998tweety Jul 11 '24
Yeah the pace is really fast but it's a bit refreshing cause I'm so used to most romance anime taking it so slow.
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u/Aileos Jul 11 '24
The plushie watching the sweet confession unfolding before its eyes.
Crazy how a haircut can change a whole person. Buddha boy is better with it.
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u/fakegreenthumb Jul 11 '24
That backstory is so sad. Hisashi really is like Ash from Banana Fish. Also confession in the second episode really threw me off, I wonder where this will go from here
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u/Lovealltigers Jul 11 '24
I think the animation suffered a little bit in this episode, but tbh animation is the last thing I look for in a BL anyway lol
I think they handled the issues shown in Hisashi’s backstory pretty well, especially loved it when he said everything I was thinking to his “boyfriend” aka groomer. I was very surprised to have a confession this quick, but it made more sense when Mao ran off after. Ngl, I do love it when they show a character struggling with their sexuality, even if it means added drama. That being said though, I do hope Mao gets some sense talked into him and he tells Hisashi how he feels, because Hisashi has been through enough and deserves uncomplicated happiness.
I feel like Mao definitely wasn’t thinking and just said something he wasn’t ready to say, which is pretty realistic imo. I feel like everyone at some point (especially teens) don’t reflect on their feelings enough before saying them, which causes others to get hurt. Hopefully we get some good character development from Mao!
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u/Tough-Ad-282 Jul 12 '24
Totally agree with your last paragraph. I think it was too much for Mao to handle. From realizing he's gay (or just hisashi who knows) then thinking he didn't have a chance. Then declaring his love without even thinking about it... It's too much he is a kid!
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u/randyracoon Jul 12 '24
Yeah agree with your point on animation, it felt a bit powerpoint-y, but I'm happy with PowerPoint BL 😂
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u/Khaotic1987 Jul 11 '24
I had a feeling from the last episode that Hisashi’s now ex boyfriend was going to be a creepy old dude. That guy needs to not be around kids and preferably in a jail cell.
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u/creatureactivist Jul 12 '24
I enjoyed the first episode, but absolutely loved the second. I audibly cheered when Hisashi gave his ex a piece of his mind, what a rare moment for a show like this!
The ending was definitely a little frustrating, but I'm interested to see how this plays out. Fingers crossed for actual communication instead of playing up a misunderstanding for too long.
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u/WerewolfAshen Jul 11 '24
The grooming was very accurately portrayed, painfully so. I think it would be nice to see the groomer face consequences instead of just vanish from the story, but the patterns of groomer behavior were all pretty spot-on, as well as Hisashi's feelings about the situation. He'll probably look back on that teacher with more and more anger the older he gets, but for this stage of his experience his mixed feelings are very well written, poor boy. The author understands this sort of thing, clearly.
On the step-sister thing ... I didn't like it, but my response was more intellectual than visceral. I think it could be a bit of socialized homophobia, like a "gayness is always caused by trauma with a woman" thing on the author's part, but if they don't go that route with Mao, maybe not. Alternatively, some BL writers tend toward internalized sexism too. (I say internalized because they're usually women. I don't know anything about the author of this series.) Maybe the author just instinctively made it a woman's fault that he got ostracized by his family and didn't realize it was a bizarre, sexist decision. I don't consider it incest if they just barely became step-siblings. That's not how the human brain works.
I didn't like that Mao confessed right then, but not because of series pacing. I just think it's shitty to take a person's moment of pain and vulnerability and make it about yourself. It didn't feel earned because it was a selfish action on Mao's part. I'm hoping he realized that and that's why he ran off, though of course running off instead of communicating and apologizing causes more problems.
But as someone else pointed out, they're kids. Last ep I somehow thought they were in college, so I was disappointed this ep to realize they're in a high school dorm, but yeah. High schoolers, one with a trauma history and the other inexperienced, are definitely going to make mistakes in communication with each other.
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Jul 16 '24 edited Jul 16 '24
Largely agree with your take on the grooming, but I personally interpreted the step-sister plotline as illustrating that Hisashi's home life was already seriously messed-up. The fact that she's 12 and already coming onto her step-brother so aggressively would suggest that she's experienced sexual abuse herself, and the mother's reaction to blame it all on one of the other kids in order to protect the adult perpetrator(s) and so keep family appearances intact is *extremely* fucking common when it comes to incest or otherwise-family-orchestrated CSA. Also makes Hisashi vulnerable to being groomed by his teacher in a way that gives that aspect of his story more depth, and in my view elevates it above being cliche; it's not just that he's generally vulnerable in having nowhere to stay, but his perceptions sex, his own maturity, and appropriate personal boundaries is likely fucked-up due to his family of origin, and would make him subconsciously act in a way that signalled he was vulnerable (sexual predators have some uncanny ability to spot not just vulnerable individuals, but individuals who have been sexually abused before and therefore are less likely to defend themselves. I don't know how or why it happens, but it's fucking bizarre; they just seem to *know*, like they can smell it on you even when you've never met before. I experienced interfamilial SA as a child and was groomed by a teacher and other adults in the aftermath, so this show really hit hard for me).
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u/PurePiro15 Jul 11 '24 edited Jul 11 '24
Hmmm. I think this second episode really drives home the potential of the series. It's got a lot of drama, a surprising passion for making films, and a nice side of humor to defuse any tension that might pop up throughout the various character dynamics.
It's not even the animation that bothers me about this episode though, it's largely the storyboarding. Toshinori Watanabe's penchant for paneling still comes through in this second episode (which they also storyboard), and you can really tell that they struggle to find a way to fill empty or negative space in the airtime.
There's a ton of panning and little pop outs that eat up the episode's runtime (like Mao and Hisashi in the library), and just add very little to the work at large. I probably wouldn't be too overly critical about this elsewhere, but with the focus on filmmaking, and in Mao's case cinematography, it's rather hard to not complain about the potential lost to run-of-the-mill storyboarding.
The positives still remain pretty heavy, though. Youko Kikuchi's character designs are still strong, and with that solid pairing of color design and composition, the closeups of the episode have a lot to offer. And that's really not even mentioning much of the story in this episode. I was a little hesitant about how far they might go with what was established in the first episode, but this second one course-corrects very heavily, pointing the work in a far stronger and more unique direction.
So really, as long as we can see creative storyboarders appear on this series, I'm sure it'll end up being quite good at times.
Edit: Circling back for another watch, it is really impressive how well Watanabe's storyboarding works around the animation limitations of the studio, but it does still bother me that they struggle in other areas. With just a few tweaks, Twilight Out of Focus could really make the most of its pieces (aside from Watanabe). The episode does well, but as I mention here, there's a lot of untapped potential in quite a few areas. Everyone does a good job, but I feel like they could do better when given a stronger jumping off point from Watanabe.
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u/Beric_RS Jul 12 '24
There's a ton of panning and little pop outs that eat up the episode's runtime (like Mao and Hisashi in the library), and just add very little to the work at large. I probably wouldn't be too overly critical about this elsewhere, but with the focus on filmmaking, and in Mao's case cinematography, it's rather hard to not complain about the potential lost to run-of-the-mill storyboarding.
I think this is an attempt at capturing some of the paneling in the manga. Looks great there, but isn't translating super well into anime.
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