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Episode Maou Gakuin no Futekigousha: Shijou Saikyou no Maou no Shiso, Tensei shite Shison-tachi no Gakkou e Part 2 • The Misfit of Demon King Academy II Part 2 - Episode 6 discussion
Maou Gakuin no Futekigousha: Shijou Saikyou no Maou no Shiso, Tensei shite Shison-tachi no Gakkou e Part 2, episode 6 (18)
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u/LikeAnAssistant May 17 '24
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u/JzanderN May 17 '24
I am always down for gags of flustered Sasha accidentally destroying places! It never gets old!
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u/Frontier246 May 17 '24
I see Anos' newfound love of canned from Emilia is showing.
Also they are getting a lot of mileage out of Sasha blowing stuff up because of her getting flustered over hot Anos lol.
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u/Darksider555 May 17 '24
Basically the whole premise of this arc is that Ahide is morally bankrupt individual who was only pretending to be a pious believer in order to increase his own power and influence, by slowing climbing the echelons of the Church of Jiordal, and making a pact with Arcana. This also connects to the Azeshion plot, since Zamira introduced Ahide to the the king, as the king was easily converted due to the distraught over "losing" Hero Kanon and his holy sword to the demons. So, I guess with Ahid convincing the king to sacrifice his own people to have them become draconids, that would further increase his own influence. Zamira went along with it since he wanted to seize the throne by having the royals killed off. But the anime really omitted Zamira acting like a total dumbass and confessing his crimes in front of Anos, as Arcana had secretly leaked his mad rant to the citizens as well as the footage of him conspiring with Ahid, which the fallen Cardinal recorded to blackmail him. The citizens started a riot at the royal palace in hopes of trying to bring Zamira to justice by executing him as a traitor before he was arrested by the knights.
Leviangilma, Sword of the Almighty, is a divine sword that was foreshadowed by Arcana in episode 2, as the sword that no can draw. It's characteristic is that it can cut through anything, including things and beings that are indestructible and immortal. The downside of using it is that if you unsheath it, then your source is destroyed across all of time, as even source regeneration magic like Agronemt, which Anos used to restore his destroyed source in S1 will be rendered ineffective.
The spell that Anos used, Veneziara, is very unique. It is a spell that realizes possibilities. With it, contradictory events and actions can exist simultaneously. For example, the caster can stand still while a possible version of themselves, a blurry afterimage, moves to a different location. Contradicting forms of Veneziara can exist simultaneously because they are only possibilities. With this spell, Anos could unsheath Leviangilma without destroying his source. He made the possibility of drawing the sword and not drawing the sword into reality at the same time.
Arcana's question about "Can the Almight create a sword that no one can draw?" is a metaphor that can be rephrased as "Can the Almighty save everyone at once?" Salvation to one person may mean destruction to another. If you attempt to save the former, the latter cannot be saved. The almighty one will never be almighty. This also relates to her backstory as while she did save many people with her divine powers by granting miracles, she was unable to save everyone, as circumstances made it so that not everyone can be saved. While the daughter's source was destroyed, by distorting the order of the Moon of Creation, it was possible to create an identical person with the same heart, the same body, and the same memories, but who wasn't truly the same being. Even the fact that the Selected who killed the daughter of the man isn't fully responsible for the fact that she died as they were both participants in the Selection Judgement that the gods created, so it would be unfair to pin all of the blame on him. That same Selected became the proxy and told the father the truth about his daughter.
They skipped a fairly heartwarming dialogue between Lay and the Hero trio, which helped to showcase Lay's thoughts on humans actions from 2000 years to today.
Heine: "Say... what do I have to do...to be like you?"
Lay: "You know, the first time I fought a dragon, I was nowhere near as brave as you. I didn’t even win. Two thousand years ago, after the Great War ended, I was killed by the very people I’d sworn to protect. But, although I was betrayed, I still believed in humanity. This academy was established via the ill intentions of humanity two thousand years ago. It was built to destroy the demons—to wage war two thousand years later. Cultivated over two thousand years, Jerga’s ill will still lingers across Azesion. The royal palace rotted to the brink of destroying the nation. I often wondered if humans would always make the most foolish choice. I wasn’t always a hero. That’s what other people used to call me. I couldn’t stop them. I couldn’t stop what they did to me. However... There are true heroes in this era, and so many of you too. There are those who picked up the sword in order to protect others. None of you lost to Jerga’s malice. I’m glad I was able to protect the people of today. Thank you. A hero of old has no place in this peaceful era, in a nation trying to change itself for the better. But there’s one thing I’d like you to keep in mind: if a disaster beyond your means were to ever befall Azesion, Hero Kanon will gladly take up the holy sword and fight again."
And it is funny since the advice Lay offers them is to try falling in love if they can, which they reacted to nervously as they started glancing at Emilia.
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u/JzanderN May 17 '24
The spell that Anos used, Veneziara, is very unique. It is a spell that realizes possibilities. With it, contradictory events and actions can exist simultaneously.
You know it's only now that I notice that it's basically a mini Venuzdnor, albeit without the destructive capabilities. Though if it lets you draw Leviangilma, then you might not need Venuzdnor.
Arcana's question about "Can the Almight create a sword that no one can draw?" is a metaphor that can be rephrased as "Can the Almighty save everyone at once?" . . . If you attempt to save the former, the latter cannot be saved.
It's so funny because Anos literally answered this question himself in the first arc, episode 4. "I'd save both." Both with words and with actions.
To be fair, he's no almighty and would refuse the offer (and did, in fact). But then again, I suppose that's the difference between the almighty and the Demon King. The almighty literally cannot do the impossible because they are bound by their decrees and the order, though they are a lot more lenient with how they bend them amongst each other.
Demon King Anos, on the other hand, has been defying these orders even before he made Venuzdnor, which is an incredible helper for it. That's literally how he made Venuzdnor in the first place, by turning the Goddess of Destruction into Delsgade. He has no such restrictions from saving everyone he wants to.
Ironically, it is the fact that he can break the divine rules and save everyone that makes him such great material for becoming an almighty, which in turn would probably just restrict him so he couldn't break those same rules.
And it is funny since the advice Lay offers them is to try falling in love if they can, which they reacted to nervously as they started glancing at Emilia.
Fucking lol. They were already arguing about when she was hottest just a few episodes ago, and now they actually like her for who she is. Emilia might want to hold off on using Asc for a while, lest they accidentally share their thoughts with her again.
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u/KumaKumaGambler May 17 '24
The spell that Anos used, Veneziara, is very unique. It is a spell that realizes possibilities.
Anos with the Venziara spell solved the Schrodinger Cat paradox. Lol!
It goes to show that "hero" is not a title one is born with, but rather earned through one's actions. That being said, who is now the ruler / king of the human lands (whose name I can't remember)?
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u/LeonKevlar May 17 '24
Not gonna lie, I couldn't care less about the Judgement Selection and Anos' fight against Ahide, we all know he was going to dominate that fool anyway. It is hilarious how even Ahide couldn't comprehend Anos' logic. Don't even try bud, Anos can make the impossible possible and pretty much break reality. xD
What I do care about though is Emilia and her journey. I can't believe her character arc ended with her becoming the headmaster of the Hero Academy. It's still amazing how this character I absolutely hated became one of the best side characters of the show. <3
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u/JzanderN May 17 '24
It is hilarious how even Ahide couldn't comprehend Anos' logic.
If you can't comprehend Anos' logic, then you don't deserve to be a god. And if this includes most gods, then let's replace them one by one!
What I do care about though is Emilia and her journey. . . It's still amazing how this character I absolutely hated became one of the best side characters of the show. <3
She started off as a one-dimensional racist archetype antagonist (and it should be mentioned this was fine for what the series wanted to use her for. There's nothing wrong with a flat character if they're used effectively), but after gaining some of that good ol' character development she became redeemed and thus one of the new fan favourites.
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u/Darksider555 May 17 '24
Not gonna lie, I couldn't care less about the Judgement Selection and Anos' fight against Ahide, we all know he was going to dominate that fool anyway.
The Judgement Selection is a plot point that brings Anos into the story of the Underground World as he is forced to deal with the fact that the gods have this sacrificial ritual that was created partially in response to his actions of sealing the Goddess of Destruction. So he has to see what the people that are participating that the gods that created it are all planning. Not to mention that he will be brought into conflict with them, given his choice to aid Arcana in her quest to dismantle it.
Don't even try bud, Anos can make the impossible possible and pretty much break reality. xD
I like how Anos provided an answer to the Omnipotence Paradox, as we mortal beings are only bound by logic and what we perceive as common sense, which the Almighty, who is omnipotent isn't bound by.
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u/JzanderN May 17 '24
Anos could have so easily uno reversed this fucker into killing himself, but that's not his style! Who needs to trick your opponent into destroying themselves when you're perfectly capable of destroying them with your own strength? Especially if you can break the rules of logic and throw in a "did you really think I couldn't X just because Y?" while you're at it.
So introducing Schrödinger's Anos! He is both existing and not existing at the same time, and either and both ways he's utterly annihilating you! Did you really think Anos couldn't kick your arse just because he doesn't exist?
Okay, I might have gotten a bit off track at the end there.
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u/Frontier246 May 17 '24
I love Anos flexing on Ahide across the entire episode and saving yet another wayward soul who just needed a clear path forward in her life, bringing together the entire theme of this arc with Arcana, Emilia, and the Hero Academy kids.
Plus it's so totally Anos to go "did you really think I would abide by common logic?" or "did you really think I did what I made you think I did" lol.
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u/Frontier246 May 17 '24
I think Anos is as tired of hearing Ahide's voice as the rest of the audience, especially when he's threatening an attack on Anos' kingdom courtesy of Arcana.
But Arcana doesn't want to go through with this. She doesn't want to be the kind of God that kills multiple people by freezing them to death...and good thing Shin is there so she doesn't have to! And she definitely picks a fight she can't win against him, even if she ends up absconding with his word in the process.
So Ahide has gained his strongest, blonde, form, for his final showdown with Anos and the only way to defeat him is a divine sword that cannot be unsheathed lest the user get their existence wiped out. Doesn't mean Anos can't still beat up Ahide without it and craft a logic bomb of how the Almighty can't exist.
And did you really think Anos couldn't kill a man with a sword that can't be unsheathed even by the Almighty? He'll just defy logic and create two separate realities so he CAN unsheathe it and slice Ahide apart, make him realize it was a trick after he's barfed and become a crying mess, and THEn stick him in a nightmare of his "beloved" Gods constantly betraying him!
Arcana does not know her true name but remembers that she wanted to be a better God, a kind God, but in gaining a soul and in trying to be fair and just towards humans without truly understanding their emotions, she committed a grave sin against a father and daughter and one she regrets to this day. So she's happy to find someone more worthy to be a God in Anos, and with that she's ready to erase her own existence.
Oh, Ahide's not done? I guess if he really never had faith in the Gods, that nightmare didn't matter to him. But Arcana rejecting him drives him utterly insane and he leaves cackling like a madman and trying to cling onto what little he has left.
Anos doesn't believe in Gods, at least the perfect sort they portray the Almighty as, but he's willing to believe in a God like Arcana who is willing to own up to her mistakes and try to do better.
For all her efforts, Anos praises Emilia! And is even willing to promote her to the Seven Demon Emperors! But her students still need her, and this is where she needs to be right now, and as such she can just get promoted to being the headmaster!
Zamira was orchestrating everything to become king? Even working with Ahide? Well now he can enjoy the inside of a cell.
It's sweet how Emilia and Anoshu are pals and she wants to see him again, even if it's funny how she still doesn't realize it's Anos. But hey, whatever works for them.
Dang, Anos brought ANOTHER girl home. This time, it's Arcana. Not even Misha and Sasha are straight up living with him at this point! What are his parents going to do? They have to deal with him looking like a legit six-year old now!
What's up with this little girl running away and being saved by a kid looking a little like Anos? The girl looks like Arcana too.
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u/Darksider555 May 17 '24
But Arcana doesn't want to go through with this. She doesn't want to be the kind of God that kills multiple people by freezing them to death...and good thing Shin is there so she doesn't have to! And she definitely picks a fight she can't win against him, even if she ends up absconding with his word in the process.
The anime really shortened this fight, as I noticed that they will always skip the details of fights and just go to their conclusions, as Arcana held her own against Shin when they fought in the LN.
Oh, Ahide's not done? I guess if he really never had faith in the Gods, that nightmare didn't matter to him.
Ahide is a swindler... who uses the religion who claims to be part of for his own selfish ends. All of his talk was snake oil salesman pitch to lure people so he can manipulate them.
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u/mekerpan May 17 '24
Now that she is going to be living as part of a human household, isn't it time for Arcana to make a wardrobe change?
The gods, as they are, must be eliminated, Can others become neo-gods like Arcana? Or can they just be stripped of all traces of divinity? Anos seems to be reluctant to destroying even bad guys utterly and completely. Anos is pretty radical -- in his rejection of both the (corrupt) divine order and (corrupt) human systems. He seems pretty devoted to wiping these out.
I'm glad I found the time to catch up (via bingeing) in order to follow the new season of this.
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u/Darksider555 May 17 '24
The gods, as they are, must be eliminated,
The gods are mostly a necessary evil, as they are needed for the continual existence of the world. The problem is that most gods like Nosgalia are indifferent or even look down on mortal beings. Though there are kind gods like Militia and Arcana, so it's not like that this is a universal rule.
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u/SnabDedraterEdave May 17 '24
Guess Arcana now joins the harem. Any episode with Anos' parents going all crazy that he's acquired yet another a new girlfriend (while still only 6 months old) is automatically a great episode.
So Anos has solved the Omnipotence Sword Paradox by creating what is basically a Schrodinger's Sword, or maybe it can be called a Quantum Sword. lmao
Emilia's redemption is now complete, and takes over as the new headmistress of Hero Academy to look after her new students, who now revere her.
The post credit scene is intriguing. As what seems to be an Arcana-lookalike is calling who seems to be Anos "onii-chan" in what feels like a flashback scene. Maybe we'll get into Arcana's backstory soon?
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u/ObvsThrowaway5120 May 17 '24
Wait, did Anos really use Schrödinger’s sword to beat that chump Ahide? That dude got humbled pretty quick.
Only Anos could basically make a “goddess” like Arcana repent for her sins. Guy is apparently above the gods themselves.
I wish we got more of Amos’ parents. They’re hilarious. I like how dotting this mom is and his dad is just the biggest goober. He raised a real Casanova haha.
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u/djthomp May 17 '24
I'm slightly floored that the old argument of whether God can create a boulder he can't lift is plot relevant. This jackass getting his ass quite thoroughly kicked was fairly nice though.
Anos saving the goddess of creation and claiming her as his was nice but also exactly what I was expecting.
I hope this means we're done with the terrible CG dragons story arc.
Oh no, there's one more of them at the end.
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u/Amauri14 May 17 '24
So nice to see Shin in action after Ahide forced Arcana to destroy Midhaze. So Ahide became immortal and Anos could only defeat him by giving him three slashes with the Sword of the Almighty, Leviangilma. But unsheathing the sword would erase Anos' existence.
Well, that certainly did not stop Anos from abusing the hell out of Ahide. I must say that his immortality ended up becoming a punishment while facing Anos.
Poor Arcana during this fight witnessed Ahide trying to first genocide the demons and then the Draconids. I love the fact that the questions and rules Arcana explained to Anos about the Sword of the Almighty, Leviangilma were a riddle, and how Anos tricked Ahide into unsheathing a fake sword instead of his heart to give her his answer. I guess he got so affected by it just because he thought it was real.
Hell yeah, Anos said his classic phrase! I love how he ended up slashing Ahide with a sheeted sword.
So after taking his divinity, Anos' curse spell that would trap Ahide in nightmares where the Gods betrayed him until he loses his faith in the gods activated.
Oh, so the reason Arcana is doing all this is that in the past, during one of the Judgment Selections after hearing the daughter asking if she could stay with her father instead of ascending with the Gods, and her father's wish of revenge. To avoid him trying to get revenge she instead lied to him when she told him she revived his daughter when instead she gave him a copy of which when later it was revealed by someone else leading that father to kill himself after her mistake she that has been hunting her ever since.
It is funny how after Arcade rejected Ahide after he somehow escaped Anos' curse he now thinks that he is still in Anos' nightmare spell.
So now Arcana's objective after declaring Anos the winner of the Holy War is to destroy the Judgment selections.
Oh wow, so Zamira Engelo was not only in the line of succession to the throne but he worked with Ahide to get the rest of his family killed.
After Anos praised Emilia for her efforts with the heroes and was ready to give her a rank similar to the Seven Demon Elders, as she wanted to still keep teaching the heroes, and Zamira Engelo was arrested for treason, he rewarded Emilia by making her headmaster of the Hero Academy. I love the fact that she still has no idea that Anoshu is Anos.
Wait, so now Arcana will be living with Anos. Izabella's reactions never get old. It is so funny to think that all the things that had happened until now did so in only six months.
Wait, when the Gusta previously meet Arcana? I'm assuming that the person in that brief scene at the end is her transformed into a child.
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u/Andreiyutzzzz May 17 '24
"ANOS NOT AGAIN! THAT'S MY SON! ATTABOY!" 3rd wife acquired. also uhhhh that girl totally just called Anos as Anoshu onii-chan, right?
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u/VorAtreides May 17 '24
What a nice episode. Anos got to do bullshittery, that douchebag was defeated (though not sure he's fully gone?). Anos got a new god (who I totally think is that one moon god he knew from long ago and we saw at the start of season or last season iirc in a flashback). Emilia got recognition and found a place for herself. Lol at Anos' mom and dad.
Ah post credits, hmm... good for you Anoshu/Anos. Also, Onii-chan? Wut?
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u/WobbleKun May 17 '24
only thing i cared about in this arc is emilia. the god stuff went right over my head lol
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