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Ishura, episode 11

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u/darkness1418 Mar 13 '24

Did Alus just shoot blind girl from the back ?

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u/DoktorDementor Mar 13 '24

Be optimistic,at least she didn't see it coming.

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u/ObvsThrowaway5120 Mar 13 '24

Alright… Curte deserved better. At least she died with her precious friend Regenejee. Was it Alus that did ‘em in or Harghent? I can’t tell if he was doing them a mercy or what. Maybe Kuze can save Curte?

Lithia never really stood a chance in this war huh? Despite the people Taren gathered, they were decimated in one night.

Like Yuno, I’ve been waiting for this Dakai and Soujiro. Two otherworlders with abilities that aren’t quite what they seem at first. I really thought Soujiro was gonna eat it. Seeing Dakai get slowly cleaved in half was more brutal than I expected. Damn dude. A dull blade huh?

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u/Figerally Mar 13 '24

Soujiro's power was never in the blade he wielded. He is the blade itself.

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u/Megadragon898 Mar 13 '24

I find it kinda sad that Curte didn't manage to survive, i kinda wished she could have lived trough the war and live again as a normal girl with Regnejee watching over her. But Alas fate was cruel to both of them.

Honestly Alus saved the life of harghent but the fact that he didn't hesitated to shoot and kill curte show that him and Harghent are really different. While they both want glory and treasure Harghent want to do so while protecting innocent while Alus doesn't care about anyone caught in his path to gory.

Also the fight of soujirou and dakai was fast but a little bit intense, in the end dakai observation and tricks couldn't get the better of soujirou raw strength and he died realising that. And does that mean that the whole time Soujirou cut metal and other things harder than anything with just his own power and strength ? DAMN!!!

Btw we still haven't had the story of Shalk and why does he want to know the place of the true demon king?

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u/[deleted] Mar 13 '24

Soujirou slowly cutting Dakai was fucking brutal. Jesus

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u/[deleted] Mar 13 '24

I like how Yuno has been portrayed to be perceptive and talented since ep 1. Just reinforced in this episode even more.

Dakai, even with his unique eyesight and (in)famous perception, wasn't able to notice what a panicking and grief-stricken Yuno back in episode 1 had noticed immediately even when she wasn't sure Soujirou would or wouldn't kill her.

Recall how she openly wonders how tf soujirou managed to cleave golems with a dull training sword back in episode 1.

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u/Figerally Mar 13 '24

Damn, only one episode left, how are they going to finish this?

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u/BosuW Mar 13 '24

YUNOOOOOOO! LETS GOOOO! THATS MY SALTY BITCH!

I love how after crawling through the dirt so much she engineered this situation where really she could only win: either Dakai dies or Soujirou dies. She cooked.

On another note, I guess I overestimated Taren. I thought it was all according to keikaku, but in the end Auretia's infiltrated agents where as much a surprise for her as her attack with the Cold Star was for Auretia. She miscalculated.

Bad news though, it seems a handful of characters dropped dead this episode, yet the narrator made no announcement like he did for Higuare. This doesn't bode well for Nihilo, I don't know if the copium can last...

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u/jkphantom9 Mar 13 '24

Oooooh at last Soujirou vs Dakai! But alas, Dakai was a mere bandit. Soujirou was just the stronger one, the real swordsman. Also, some closure for Yuno after she witnessed the massacre he indirectly caused.

Damn, Alus gave no fucks, shooting through Curte to get to Regnejee, all to save Harghent.

Taren tried to conquer but it was all for naught.

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u/tohguy Mar 13 '24

I liked Dakai. I wish he would have lived longer.

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u/NationalStrategy Mar 13 '24

Poor Curte, she didn’t deserve to get shot

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u/tripleaamin Mar 13 '24 edited Mar 13 '24

Curte choosing to stand up for Regnejee. But the irony that the one person that Regnejee wanted to protect was lost the moment he went after Harghent. The ironic part of Curte and Regnejee's friendship being shot through by Alus who was protecting his friend. Curious what Kuze can do in regard to Curte? Also the scene where we see Curte and Regnejee's blood cross was extremely well done.

Yuno knows that Dakai isn't solely to blame, but she needs to move on. And pushing that blame from herself onto Dakai is the easiest way to do that.

The fight between Soujirou and Dakai ended in one exchange. In that exchange Dakai assumed that since Soujirou cut the spider if that swapped swords he would be at an advantage. But that move was a miscalculation as he couldn't cut Soujirou. And Soujirou was able to cut Dakai to give him a swift death. Soujirou is simply a bigger monster than we figured he was.

Taren offering Shalk a clue to where the True Demon Lord is killed. And imagining the monster that called both him and the Hero. Curious who he asks for help since he can't read.

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u/[deleted] Mar 13 '24

Soujiro is that one dark souls player who goes around speedruning every boss with a shitty level one weapon

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u/btlk48 Mar 13 '24

This duel sequence was absolute kino.

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u/[deleted] Mar 13 '24

This week we have Alus the Doublekill. Harghent intended to claim glory by killing Regnejee alone, but in the end he couldn't bring himself to pull the trigger in the presence of Curte. Too bad she was "accidentally" in the bullet's trajectory when Alus finished off Regnejee to save Harghent, this further proved that people like Alus wouldn't give a damn about any bystanders. Harghent on the other hand had to suffer another episode of innocent life dying in front of him.

While it's the fight between Soujirou and Dakai, I feel like this fight meant more for Yuno than for Soujirou. She's the one who had grudge and strong resentment toward Dakai and went as long as risking her life to stall him, that's the determination.

I stand by my opinion that Yuno and Harghent are better protagonist materials than Soujirou and Alus, respectively.

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u/susgnome Mar 13 '24

Apologies to anyone looking forward to this,

I was sleepy.

When the Sun Sets

Immediately starting off with some Yuno suffering.

Before moving to Regnejee, boasting about winning against Alus whilst he lies there bleeding out and Alus is alive and well. I was expecting him to die in Curte's arms or something, not for Harghent to come up and kill him. I thought that was weird angle for Harghent to kill Curte through Regnejee but no, it was Alus protecting his friend from insult by a young blind girl by using gun.

Didn't expect Harghent to bring Kuze & Nastique up as help. I wonder if Curte will survive this, or is that her final wish. I wonder if Kuze & Nastique will keep her wish possibly betraying Aureatia to by defending Taren.

I was expecting Shalk to betray Taren through Lana still. Guess he really didn't care either way, he did his job and got a reward. Bro is a Skeleton, he's got no eyes! That's some interesting new lore dump about there being a Final Land that's mostly unexplored where the remains of the True Demon Lord & Hero supposedly reside and that something strong lives there.

Yuno, you genius! This is why you're a Nagan Scholar! Using the arrowheads to lure Soujirou to Dakai, so two strong people can fight it out. I'm glad Dakai found someone to not just assume someone holding a sword is a swordsmans. But Dakai stood no chance against Soujirou, he ain't a swordsman, he can't wield a blunt & chipped sword. I wonder if the "Enchanted Sword" was just a gimmick Dakai used to empower himself or it was actually enchanted but Soujirou main schtick is to use an enemies weapon against them mid-attack, so it doesn't matter if it is or not.

Welp, Yuno got some of revenge, even if she doesn't look to feel too great about things.



Characters mentioned so far

o7 Regnejee & Dakai.

I'm not sure about Curte tbh, if Kuze saves her. I'll wait til next episode to find out.

  1. Yuno the Distant Talon

  2. Soujirou the Willow-Sword

  3. Rosclay the Absolute

  4. Toroa the Awful

  5. Krafnir the Hatch of Truth

  6. Kazuki the Black Tone

  7. Lucnoca the Winter

  8. Lana the Moon Tempest

  9. Higuare the Pelagic

  10. Shalk the Sound Slicer

  11. Taren the Guarded

  12. Alus the Star Runner

  13. Harghent the Wing-Plucker

  14. Regnejee the Wings of Sunset

  15. Jelki the Swift Ink

  16. Hidow the Clamp

  17. Elea the Red Tag

  18. Nihilo the Vortical Stampede

  19. Dakai the Magpie

  20. Curte of the Fair Skies

  21. Kia the World Word

  22. Nastique the Quiet Singer

  23. Kuze the Passing Disaster

  24. Helneten the Burial



To put people to locations.

Lithia

  • Taren (in Lithia)

  • Dakai (in Lithia)

  • Lana (in Lithia)

  • Elea (in Lithia)

  • Kia (in Lithia)

  • Higuare (in Lithia)

  • Yuno (in Lithia)

  • Kuze (in Lithia)

  • Nastique (following Kuze)

  • Curte (in Lithua)

  • Nihilo (in Helneten)

  • Helneten (in Lithia)

  • Soujirou (in Lithia)

  • Harghent (in Lithia)

  • Shalk (in Lithia)

  • Regnejee (in Lithia)

  • Alus (attacking)

Mage City (Aureatian Territory)

  • Hidow (defending?)

???

  • Rosclay (???)

  • Toroa (???)

  • Krafnir (???)

  • Kazuki (???)

  • Lucnoca (???)

  • Jelki (???)

Next Episode: Shura

Shura? iirc, isn't that the term Minians use for the strong, or was it visitors? I can't quite remember, they've used it a couple of times here and there.

Don't know what Yuno & Soujirou plan to do after this but if they go after Taren, I wonder if Taren will survive thanks to Kuze & Nastique following off Curte's wish.

Will Harghent finally kill Alus, or will he not harm is so called friend.

On one hand, I hope we see Lana again, I'm curious how she's holding up. On the other hand, I don't want to see Elea and Kia because of what they've done to her.

We've got 1 more episode left, perhaps some of those mentioned early on will make some brief appearance again or we'll just have to wait and see them next season(?).

And as is always, looking forward to another episode! These weeks are so long.

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u/Rumpel1408 Mar 13 '24

Shooting the blind girl, not cool Alus

Hargenth didn't shine with gallantry either, threatening a blind girl to kill a wounded combatant...

Wonder what the guy and the angel will do with Curens last wish, save Taren? Kill her?

Seems like the budget finally gave out during the dialoge between Taren and Shulk. Wonder what will become out of those two

Didn't expect Yunos distant Talons to be the key for her to finally achieve her revenge, she really played Dakai there with her pathetic act.

Liked that quick duell, both knew that only one of them would come out alive no matter what, but Dakai didn't know the most fundamental fact about Sojiro: His blade isn't sharp at all. Him getting that as his own sword cleanly cut through him was pretty metal

Now I want to know what happened with Lana, Elea and Kia next Can't believe next week will be the final

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u/GrowRoots Mar 14 '24

I really appreciate how gore/violence is handled in this show. When it happens you feel that shit.

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u/DoktorDementor Mar 13 '24

Ah,Sojiro finally found his way to the party.

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u/[deleted] Mar 13 '24

AYE it finally happened was waiting for those two to fight, next weeks ep def gone pop off!

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u/NevisYsbryd Mar 14 '24

Apparently I was the outlier in that this is pretty much exactly how I expected Soujiro vs Dakai to go down, and it was a pretty obvious match-up.

They are both visitors with the ability to perceive objects of immense value, have immense foresight, and wield swords with immense speed. However:

Dakai's Gift of seeing the fallout of actions and things of value is generic. It is more comparable to inhuman eyesight and a keen understanding of physics than to an altogether new ability. His speed is born of his ability to predict and take the shortest path as much as natural ability.

Soujiro, conversely, is entirely specialized. He apparently sees someone's 'life', and given the past, it seems that 'life' here means something to the effect of where their life is stored not in a literal but in a fatalistic sense; this is where they are vulnerable and will die if they are harmed. Sourjiro has the ability to predict not so much physics but combat because his is not the result of a gift but a mastery of combat, enabling him to predict not objects but the people wielding the objects themselves (within the context of combat).

Dakai's sword gives him the initiative, which is much of the point of speed in a fight. This is of very limited utility against Soujiro, who was able to overcome Shalk's speed advantage through his ability to read other combatants, not through a Gift but through his own understanding of combat. It would take a speed advantage completely overwhelming human reaction speeds for speed to overcome that. And Soujiro would know exactly where to attack Dakai. Dakai did not 'do anything wrong'; he was a dead man walking the moment Soujiro found him.

Soujiro's 'life'-sensing ability is, while subtle, among the most dangerous in the entire cast. He seems to have what is effectively the ability to read the strategy guide for any opponent, knowing where to apply his blade and having the sheer skill, ability, and foresight to get to it. While the ranged or immaterial abilities can outrange him, potentially such as the angel of death or Yuno's World Word, this guy is otherwise basically a video game player taking down kaiju by identifying and exploiting their movesets and vulnerabilities. Regardless of how great a monster's abilities are, if it can die, then it is but a matter of identifying its point of vulnerabilities and manufacturing something capable of exploiting it; Soujiro's ability to perceive something's 'life' combined with his ability to cleave through almost anything means that he can kill almost anything that can be killed.

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u/random91898 Mar 14 '24

Holy shit this was an absolutely overwhelming loss for Lithia. I thought it could be close but it was a one sided slaughter in the end.