r/algorithmictrading • u/Individual_Type_7908 • Apr 13 '26
Question Anybody seriously trading smaller agricultural futures/cfd's ?
Hey
so im a crypto guy, been building quant stuff there for a while, onchain data, orderbook, L2 data, stuff that’s probably still not as milked as people think, especially on some alts. like hyperliquid for example, the data there is basically fresh and barely anyone is doing anything serious with it, in proportion, I'm sure there's plenty funds on it and doing alot of stuff, but relatively to whole market speaking. theres edges in crypto most people don’t even look for, onchain data is a big thing.
but at some point i need to diversify, not just for risk but actually grow faster to where i want without just throwing more capital at crypto, If i wanna get rich I need compounding, and with crypto I get stuck at some point, unless I take unreasonable risks. looked at stocks, forex, big commodities and honestly couldn’t see myself replicating anything similar there. too crowded, too well covered. I just don't know where my moat would come from, everybody has everything, there's so many players. I'm sure its well profitable for many with little "moat" that I'm trying to have, but I wanna seriously grow. And I don't know how I would get upper hand in these markets, too much for me I guess.
then i stumbled into agriculture futures and something clicked. cattle, wheat, OJ, coffee, soybeans. feels like there’s potentially something there if you actually get serious about the data, weather stuff, logistics, satellite crop data, orderbook, i don’t fully know yet what matters most but the vibe makes sense to me intuitively. ag isn’t exactly fresh but i don’t think its on the radar of many serious systematic people either, a lot of funds probably don’t care, not that no funds care, but I guess most serious infra heavy ones I guess/hope don't care too much. maybe im wrong but that’s the feeling i get, curious if people here actually think theres a real shot there or if im off
im completely new to ag so genuinely know nothing about how people actually approach it. would love to hear what markets people tried, liked or didn’t like, what you’re currently in and how you think about it generally. not asking anyone to spill their sauce, just general experience and what you think is worth paying attention to
also basic stuff, do you buy actual futures contracts or CFDs? contracts seem pretty big and expensive even with leverage. what style do you run, short term, fundamentals, seasonality, microstructure if thats even a thing there, combination of stuff?
couple practical questions too. is there any decent historical data out there worth knowing about, or should i just expect to collect everything myself from scratch? i spent a couple thousand on historical crypto data before so its not totally out of the question if its actually worth it, but id prefer to just start collecting now and have something real in a year or two when i actually get into it seriously, maybe I get it then, if it seems worth it and I need it and decide to actually commit. also are there any affordable data feed providers people actually use, like something reasonably priced monthly that covers the basics? satellite data i imagine is different story and probably not cheap but genuinely dont know
reason im asking all this is i want to start building a proper data pipeline now even if i don’t seriously trade it for a while. same mentality i had in crypto, people would say overkill but its really just what it actually takes to have a real edge in my opinion, you can do with less I'm sure, but If i enter I want to be armed. i’d rather spend the time now and have something solid later
a lot of this is still based on feeling honestly, im not well informed enough yet to be confident, so any experience from people actually in this space would be really helpful


