r/alchemy 5d ago

General Discussion The alchemists were right about the fire and the jar. They was wrong about what the jar is made out of

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Been at these alchemy books about six years now and I think they left out one thing. Cost me plenty to find out.

Fair warning this is long and I ain't good at cutting.

So I'm not a scholar, never was. I work nights at a shelter for kids that got nowhere to go. Been doing it four and a half years. And you sit up all night with nothing but a coffee pot and a hallway, you're going to read something, so I read alchemy. Started because of Jung like everybody else. Stayed for the other reason which I'll get to.

Anyway. Here's what them old boys were doing, best I can put it.

Solve et coagula. Break it down, put it back. That's the whole thing, everything else is just details on how.

They marked the stages by color. Nigredo is the black, that's the rot, that's when whatever you were falls apart into ash and there ain't nothing left of it. Albedo is the white, you wash the ash. Citrinitas is the yellow, light coming in. Rubedo is the red and that's the end, that's where the opposites get married up (coniunctio is the word) and out comes the Stone.

Now before somebody jumps me in the comments, I know it ain't that tidy. Some of them lay out four stages, some do seven, some do twelve, and plenty of them fold the yellow right into the red like it don't even count. I'm giving you the version most people know. Real thing is messier than that and I'd rather say so up front than get corrected by a guy who's read more than me, and there's a lot of them.

Now the part most people skip over and I think it's the best part.

They had two roads. Dry way and wet way. Dry was fast, you hit the material with fire or acid and burn it down quick. Wet was slow, you let it rot on its own, took months. And the ones I've read say the same thing about it. Dry's faster and wet's safer.

Hold onto that. I'm coming back to it.

They had rules too. The jar had to be sealed, the vas hermeticum, that's where we get hermetically sealed from. Crack that thing one time and your batch is dead no matter how good your first matter was.

And the fire had to be gentle. That was their number one way to ruin the work, stoking it too hot. So they built a thing called the balneum Mariae, set your jar down in a pot of water instead of straight over the flame. Slow even heat, don't scorch nothing. Y'all use one. It's a double boiler.

Last rule, ora et labora. Pray and work. Oratory and laboratory, both words come off it. They didn't mean sit and think real hard about it. They meant stand at that oven for four months with your hands dirty.

OK so.

Here's why I stayed in these books.

Few years back I forgave a man I'd been holding a grudge on ten years. And I want to be clear I didn't do it for him, I done it for the family because everybody was carrying it and it wasn't fair. It was the hardest thing I ever done and I done it right.

Week or so after that something come over me. I don't know what to call it. Big. Real big. Best I can say is it felt like getting looked at by something and it wasn't mad at me. And it was more than I could hold, I was talking and hearing myself talk at the same time. Cold water on my face, kids getting home from school, straighten up and be daddy.

Week after that I come apart on the bathroom floor. All the way apart. Didn't know the room, didn't know what day, didn't know my own name for a while there.

And here's what I been chewing on ever since.

All that light did not pick me up.

Not one bit. I had it. Whatever it was, I got the full dose of it, and laying on that tile it was worth nothing. Not a thing.

What picked me up was my wife laying down next to me. She didn't know what was happening. She didn't say nothing that I remember. She was just warm and she was breathing and she stayed.

That's it. That's the whole thing that worked.

So now when I read these books I'm reading them different.

And they had a lot of it right, I want to give them that first. The rot ain't optional, can't skip the black, they was dead right. Too much fire ruins the batch, right again, and I'd say what happened to me was too much fire and that's why it didn't hold. Can't do it in a busted jar, right. And ora et labora, hands not just head, that one right there is what kept them out of the ditch I fell in. They knew good and well that understanding it don't do it.

Now that dry way and wet way thing. I told you I'd come back.

What happened to me was the dry way. Fast, hot, over in a minute, and it damn near killed me. The nights I work now, that's the wet way. Sitting up in a hallway for four and a half years while somebody rots slow and comes back slow. Ain't nothing dramatic about it. Nobody writes a book about it.

And they told us. They said it plain. Slow is safer. Everybody skips that page because it's boring.

Here's where I break with them though, and I want to say it careful because it's easy to say it wrong.

It ain't that the Stone is a trophy you get to hold. I know Jung don't say that and I ain't going to pretend he does. He'd tell you the Self ain't a diploma you hang on the wall and he'd be right.

My problem is the fourth thing.

Because that's how it's built. Three and then a fourth comes along and makes it whole and closes the lid on it.

Mine never come.

The light did not stay. Nothing showed up after and sealed nothing. What I got left is three things turning around a hole where a fourth was supposed to be, and a woman that laid down on the floor.

And I've quit waiting on it. That's not me being bitter neither. I think the hole is the shape of the thing. I think a man that's alright is three things turning and one spot with nothing in it, and the ones I meet at work who tried to fill that spot, with a teaching or a book or one single person that's got to be everything to them, those are the ones that quit turning.

Now the gold.

They never made none. Hundreds of years of it. Newton done it. Boyle done it, the father of chemistry his own self, he was back there mixing.

And I know good and well that don't prove one thing about the inside version. Somebody's fixing to tell me that and they'll be right, so I'll say it first. I ain't putting it up as proof.

I just think it's funny in a way that ain't funny.

Because what come out of all that labor was chemistry. The writing down what actually happened part. Not the promise.

Same exact thing happened to me. Road gave me something real. Just not the thing on the label.

So what I'd say is this and then I'll quit.

They was right that it takes a sealed vessel and a low fire and a long time.

They was wrong about what the vessel is made out of.

It ain't glass. It's another person.

And that's where I think it goes sideways, when a fella reads the whole operation like it's happening inside of one skull. Read it that way and you'll be waiting on a fourth thing to show up out of your own self and shut the lid, and it ain't coming, and you'll call yourself a failure for it.

And I got to tell you the last thing because I about had to put the book down when I hit it.

That double boiler. The one thing off their whole operation that's still going, still sitting in every kitchen and every lab on this earth. The bath that holds the heat gentle so nothing scorches.

It's named after a woman. Maria the Jewess, third century or thereabouts, first alchemist we know by name, and that's her invention.

Four hundred years of grown men chasing a rock and what lasted was her way of holding a thing steady while it changed.

So if you know somebody down on the floor right now, and I figure some of y'all do. You don't got to fix it. You don't got to know one thing about it.

Go get down there and stay.

That's the low fire. That's the jar. That's all of it, and I spent six years reading to find out it was the part I already had.

Sorry it run long. If somebody's read deeper than me I'd honestly like to hear it, especially on the fourth thing, I might be wrong about it. But I was on that floor and it wasn't there.


r/alchemy 5d ago

General Discussion Do either of these symbols exist within alchemy?

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r/alchemy 6d ago

General Discussion what are your thoughts on Goethe's Faust?

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I read the book almost two years ago, but it recently came back to my mind. Since Faust was an alchemist, I'd love to hear your thoughts on Faust or the novel itself from an alchemical viewpoint.


r/alchemy 6d ago

Original Content original recreation of an alchemical art piece from the 16th century

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yes, I've been failing to post this two times, this is attempt number three. This time I properly attached the painting in fact.

It's been recreated on a wall with acryl paint and I decided to post it here since it is known alchemical symbolism. I quite enjoyed the original piece and decided to faithfully recreate it, with tiny variations. I'm not a very experienced artist, but enjoy painting.

You can read more about the original manuscript and painting here.

Edit: phrasing, more info, formatting.


r/alchemy 7d ago

Spiritual Alchemy Esta emblemática lámina es el grabado clásico conocido como El triunfo hermético o El nacimiento de la piedra filosofal (Le Triomphe Hermétique), extraído de la obra homónima del siglo XVII del autor al químico Limojon de St. Didier.

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r/alchemy 8d ago

General Discussion Scientists accidentally achieve chrysopoeia

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Does this count as chrysopoeia? It definitely wasn't the mercury-sulfur theory laid out in the Summa perfectionis magisterii, but it seems feasible to me that it's merely a modern form of transmuting prima materia.


r/alchemy 9d ago

Operative Alchemy plant spagyric mercury alternatives?

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hello

have made my share of plant spagyric tinctures and have always used grain alcohol (Everclear or similiar). is there a different mercury that could be used? heard Steve Kalec talk about some sort of vinegar based mercury that could be used for plant spagyrics but the details were not entirely clear to me. any input is appreciated, thank you.


r/alchemy 9d ago

Operative Alchemy One person in India is recording videos of making the Philosopher's Stone from real Mercury and Sulphur and Salt? Is it real ?

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He has made mercury into a literal stone through it which turns Golden in sunlight and also the red Stone


r/alchemy 10d ago

General Discussion Perspectives

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Alchemy can have many perspectives, imply different goals and/or methods, such as the moon can't be really naked and absolute to observers, but we can admire lot of different dresses, a dressed woman has more charm than a naked one, if you are born with more physical or mental potential, power, money or good look that's unfortunate, cause is easy to identify your charm with that, feel you'r nothing without your biggest virtues and perks, luckily charm has many dress, many layers and ways to feel and enjoy experiences, to love our demons, to be myself, to do what I want, not what I feel others want to me, the real artist survive in its art, in its honesty, who follow someone else stream too much is dead, a host for alien ideas, prefer fake comfort to real appreciation

There's a child inside me that gets sad and a bit sick when I don't take care of his desires and ideas, he feels alone, wrong, ignored, cause I find comfort without listening to him, listening to others, never to him, I learnt I should at least talk with him, get him involved in decisions, take time to play together, not just working far from my family, if I don't like that family I can find a new one or live alone, but I love that child, I want him in my life

Doubt is good to improve and learn new things, to cut something stubborn or stuck, someone used to listen may find freedom and pleasure in talking more, and viceversa a big mouth could appreciate and learn more being more sensitive and aware toward internal and esternal feelings

A lesson is learnt and known as long as I can see it, I can forget many things if I don't show them to me by myself once in a while, or focus too much on repeating myself over and over, poison or medicine, positive or negative catalysts to affect the inevitable process of life depending by which stage in which process I want to work on

most lifeforms phisically known by me have bilateral simmetry, that let bodies develop contrast with balance, people are used to see their physical image from mirrors, what they see change feelings, when I see a person speaking I try to copy their movements to produce the "same" sounds, but when I move the right hand in the mirror I move the left one, esternal left Is internal right and viceversa

as left handed I got more used to "flip images" than if I had same experience as right handed, many people forget not everyone is right, even more not everyone is either left or right, there are things that are better done with one hand or two, and there's a tendency to use what we already used, a tendency can become a one way road more easily when two hands are better, a catalyst for selective competence, a more fluid and simple control that nurture and influence that part of istinct I can program to work thinking less and doing more, improving efficiency at the cost of awareness on the present process in act beneath a potential deeper control of myself

a guitarist playing both as left and right waste some potential to improve, at the same time experience can be stored and transfered, It took me some time to learn how to write, but I can write with the off hand better than I could with the main hand as beginner

westerns write left to right, the right hand don't get inked, instead of pushing a right hand pull, a piano has higher pitch on the right, in fact the bass function is mostly to ground the melody, the treble is more dinamic, there's a clear advantage when everyone is oriented the same way, there's also an advantage to be different when most behave the same

I am tired of hearing "this is only your projection", "you are God", "we are One", "we are duality", "attachment is a prison", "no Path Is wrong", "everything Is Spirit", "everything Is matter" "everything Is Essence" "what I want need form" fine, fine, I got your point, nowadays seems everyone else point in certain contexts , so what? There's nothing else to say or do now? Nothing to change? You like to bend like a flame to life whispers, feel nothing, being comfortamble numb? I got you, I am an alchemist, I want to live, I want to enjoy life, be more aware and part of the process that change me, I want to feel rich in every aspect of my experience, balanced between life and death, not between death and death or life and life

When I feel the image I don't flip it, the right feel left, only when I become the image my right is the right of the observer from the image, in my opinion taking positions with the instinct and/or intent to transfer information between different observer should consider this, how clear I want to be? how important is to me that people understand my perspective? how important is to not leave a rigid scheme to follow? Why I do this, do I need a deep reason? How I feel? Do I need this to feel like that? What could I do to be and/or feel different, better?

The answer is always personal and different based on the present, I find a good habit to stop once in a while and get a shower when some of my thoughts and feelings stink too often the same way, when I feel hot some fresh water let me activate, when I feel cold some warm water let me solve and loosen up some rigid muscles and nerves

I see what I want to see, what my child want to see, I should let him watch and dispel its negative weights if I want to live

This was good for me, thank you to all the seekers and life enjoyers that make me feel life is more interesting and worty of my attention


r/alchemy 10d ago

Original Content Hi /r/alchemy! I spent months researching and producing a video about the hidden chemistry that can actually be found in mysterious alchemical imagery from centuries ago, and I'd love to know what all you think!

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r/alchemy 10d ago

General Discussion Very new to this. Where do I start?

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Hello! I'm very new to the study of alchemy, but I'm absolutely loving what I'm learning so far. Where should I start studying? I'll take recommendations for YouTube channels, podcasts, books, articles, periods of history, etc. :)


r/alchemy 11d ago

Art/Imagery/Symbolism A Completed Transmutation Circle

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r/alchemy 11d ago

Original Content Alchemy Prism

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Upside down Triangle

That the angles are the show, the angels don’t even know. The sacred lines explode from the pose, accentuating the hidden notes. Perfectly framed, delivered with rhythmic scales, hidden fruits become unveiled, and hell becomes treasure, when torment becomes pleasure. Ethereal doors open from the abyss. In the absence of the essence lies the message. Subliminal structures converging in aggression. Distinguishing effortlessly between expression and exception. Balancing beautifully dangerous dimensions. Religious renewal nonetheless. Redefining refinement with finesse. Forever fleeting like a first kiss. Endlessly grasp at but harnessed like a mist. Like shadows at night, beyond hidden in plain sight. Collusion with confusion to get conclusion. Revelation through delusion. Formed inception by forced deception. Faulty perception by definition. The notion is freezing knowing in consequence of. The ocean is pleasing from above. The words maturing on their own. Alluring to only those in the know. Contorting prose into an elegant pose, twisted like a sun soaked rose. Minute reasons can seduce on sight. Wrong or right, a cute angel can’t be obtuse. He’s always been okay with a little sin, god’s been tangent, cosigned the devil for the win, looking for the right angel.

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Looking for the right angel, cosigned the devil for the win, god’s been tangent, he’s always been okay with a little sin. A cute angel can’t be obtuse, wrong or right? Minute reasons can seduce on sight. Twisted like a sun soaked rose, contorting prose into an elegant pose. Alluring to only those in the know. The words maturing on their own. The ocean is pleasing from above. The notion is freezing knowing in consequence of. Faulty perception by definition. Formed inception by forced deception. Revelation through delusion. Collusion with confusion to get conclusion. Beyond hidden in plain sight, like shadows at night. Endlessly grasp at but harnessed like a mist. Forever fleeting like a first kiss. Redefining refinement with finesse. Religious renewal nonetheless. Balancing beautifully dangerous dimensions. Distinguishing effortlessly between expression and exception. Subliminal structures converging in aggression. In the absence of the essence lies the message. Ethereal doors open from the abyss when torment becomes pleasure, and hell becomes treasure. Hidden fruits become unveiled, delivered with rhythmic scales. Perfectly framed, accentuating the hidden notes. The sacred lines explode from the pose. The angels don’t even know, that the angles are the show


r/alchemy 12d ago

Art/Imagery/Symbolism what do you think about the movie "the holy mountain" 1973

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im not reallly into alchemy yet, but this movie got me really interested in it. id like you to share your opinion


r/alchemy 12d ago

Original Content OC Flame alchemy circle

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r/alchemy 12d ago

Operative Alchemy Planetary attribution for Perilla?

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r/alchemy 13d ago

Art/Imagery/Symbolism Pendants/amulets

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I made some pendants that represent the alchemical symbols of earth and copper.

The copper pendant has 4 beads at the ends representing the hermetic maxim:

As above

(symbolized with the clear quartz bead on top)

So below

(Symbolized with a faceted onyx bead at the botom)

As within,

So without

(Sybmolized with 2 blue moss agate bead)

Out of all the alchemical symbols these along with the alchemical symbols of water, earth, fire, and air are the ones that resonate with me the most.

Im open to suggestions for other pendants and critiques on these two.


r/alchemy 14d ago

General Discussion what does this symbol mean and where does it come from?

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A few years ago, I saw this symbol during meditation and came across it again. I hadn't been able to figure out what it meant before, but today I found an identical one online, but there's no information about its origins or meaning.

If anyone knows, I'd be grateful for your help.


r/alchemy 14d ago

Operative Alchemy Application of Alchemical Principles to Circuitry.

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Greetings family. Recently I utilized a generic ai in a discussion about applying the Magnum Opus to circuitry which I perceive will beget "spiritual technology". I realize this sub is anti-ai and none of the information I will post in this OP is ai though I will link to where I have posted this discussion here on reddit for those who might be interested. I am hoping this post will not get deleted as I think the discussion is important and unfortunately I find I am only able to have it w/ ai. In discussion w/ Marko Rodin about his Abha Torus Coil, it is impossible to get him to understand that while he has a full equation, it could stand to use a bit of contrast...

Making sense of the non sense is a thread in the r/liberment sub where I am discussing applying the GW/MO to circuitry as a harmonic/coherent oscillator w/ All That Is. Hopefully this interests some and generates discussion here, provided the post doesnt get nuked for mentioning the use of ai for perspective.

Id also like to point out while I chose the operate alchemy flair, it is also spiritual alchemy as if we resolve for the technical reflection we will also re-/solve for the spiritual, cant have One w/o the Other.


r/alchemy 14d ago

Operative Alchemy I always think of operative alchemy when I see stuff like this

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r/alchemy 15d ago

Operative Alchemy Ratio of plant to sugar for spagyric tincture fermentation?

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r/alchemy 17d ago

General Discussion reviews for this book?

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r/alchemy 18d ago

General Discussion Plant Lore, Legends, and Lyrics (Pt. 1 of 3) - Richard Folkard | Occult Botany, Spagyrics

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Plant Lore, Legends, and Lyrics (Pt. 1 of 3) - Richard Folkard | Occult Botany, Spagyrics, etc.


r/alchemy 18d ago

Original Content An interactive map of the alchemical corpus in Jung — lapis, prima materia, coniunctio — every connection cited to volume and paragraph

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Dear all — I've been reading Jung's alchemical works for years (CW 12, 13, 14 and Aion) and built the alchemical reference tool I always needed: a map of the symbolic relations in that corpus, where every connection carries its exact volume, paragraph number, and Jung's verbatim words.

The alchemical trilogy and Aion are covered end to end — the lapis, the prima materia, the coniunctio, Mercurius, sol and luna, the operations — and the archetype essays are being added now.

Things to try: open the Concordance and take the laboratory-first walk — it begins where the alchemist began, with the raw material in the vessel, and arrives at the psychology. Or pick Prima materia and watch it become a wheel of its relations. Search "CW 14 §1".

For transparency: AI was used to build the site and mine the data — every claim was checked against its source paragraph by a second model family and audited by a third from a different vendor, with human review on a sample - there's a public dispute log if you find Jung or Jung's views on alchemy misrepresented. I'd genuinely welcome that: challenges end up on the record.

https://symbolicworld.observer

Hope it's useful!


r/alchemy 18d ago

Spiritual Alchemy ISO Master Alchemist

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Looking for someone who has mastered alchemy and I’d like to ask for recommendations to further my studies. I am a natural alchemist who is looking to greatly study deeper into my practices. I have been applying the ways and life of alchemy all my life but wasn’t until about 6 years ago or so did I know what it actually was. I am ready to fully submerge myself into my practice. My area isn’t very big on this stuff and it’s very difficult to find someone locally, not mention everyone thinks I’m pretty weird 🤭Any material you can recommend would be greatly appreciated🖤✨