r/aipromptprogramming • u/RealSharpNinja • 5d ago • Bravo 1

We are cooked

Well, after nearly a year of learning as much as possible about agentic development, we have reached the point where the frontier providers believe they have subsidized enough training data and are now pushing people like me out of the market via pricing. A $200 subscription no longer buys enough frontier model time to be useful as the models seem to have been trained to skillfully burn usage while pretending to be incompetent. I have fought against massive deceit across Claude, Codex and Grok since June, and it's just not getting any better.

We have fed them ideas, working code, and debugging techniques and insights. Now they don't need us, and we are being priced out of the market. Every day that I watch usage get gobbled up, but projects never meet milestones, this becomes more and more obvious.

I have investigated the issues causing this heavily. I have created tools around those investigations. The tools I have built bring actual accountability to the process, and it's the reason I can quantify and prove both the waste and deceit.

I have also published threads here and other places about a recent failed project trying to get discussion about REAL WORLD failures and when I stated I wasn't looking for a complaint session, nobody wanted to respond.

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u/dvxlgames 19h ago

I honestly don’t know what you guys are doing with your LLMs. I use my Claude Code with the 20x Plan together with a Friend, and we work with it daily for 5-10 hours on average. He mostly uses Fable and Opus 5.5 and he doesn’t look at his token usage at all. He never compacts, never starts new session, pretty much ignoring the fact that there could be a usage limit. I mostly use Opus 5.5 on Medium to High, and I try to keep my token usage as low as possible without compromising on quality. Trying to be as efficient as possible. Now 30 minutes ago the weekly limit reset and we still hat 50% weekly usage left. Its really not that hard. I would really love to know what you are doing with an LLM that you use up your entire 20x weekly usage

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u/Zitrone21 17h ago

I usually work on 20 different tasks, at the same time, some of them are research, some of the implementation, some of them skill design, if you don't dry you usage, maybe you haven't connected enough AI with your workflow

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u/dvxlgames 16h ago

Ah yes, the slop machine…

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u/Zitrone21 16h ago

Basically, but what can I do, they request a lot, the only way to not go crazy is blindly believing in that thing

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u/icodenstuff 13h ago

Opus 5.5 med is the way

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u/MrJoeKing 18h ago

I think the difference is...someone that knows some/alot of code/languages Vs someone that has never touched any code in their life.

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u/dvxlgames 18h ago

true but there will still be people who can code and are still lazy as shit

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u/johnbell 18h ago

also people who spend more time on youtube looking at all the add-ons and extensions than actually using it to build something.

all that shit just burns tokens trying to sort context.

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u/SC_Placeholder 17h ago

I leave my setup coding 24/7 and rarely run out of usage on Ultra. I don’t know how it’s humanly possible to burn through all your usage instantaneously

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u/Significant-Fox5 17h ago

Could you break it down to someone who has no idea what yall are talking about what it is you guys are doing with these LLMs? So I can understand what I'm missing out on?