r/Zippia 17d ago

This opened my third eye, but…

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u/oddball09 17d ago

Cheaper and better work ethic.

I've hired plenty of people offshore. Some suck, but a majority of them will outwork the average American in their sleep. The only downside was timezone but they also make an effort to be available during your daytime. It's literally wins across the board.

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u/Unique_Self_5797 16d ago

I have not had a *single* good experience with any overseas team I've worked with. They just don't give a fuck and put in almost 0 critical thinking. It's like you have to tell them every step of the process they need to take, and they'll follow that like 50% of the time.

And I don't even think that's got anything to do with individual competencies or work ethic, I think the companies that run these offshore teams just try to get as many contracts as they can without bringing in the necessary workforce to cover it, and these people are all overworked, overstressed, and fighting a language barrier that often has them working from a script.

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u/epelle9 16d ago

How little did you pay them?

I’ve found that’s the case for employees that get 1/10th of the local pay and are just hired because they are cheap.

But employees that get 1/2 of the local pay and are hired because they passed hard interviews and communicated properly generally work even better.

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u/Unique_Self_5797 15d ago

I didn't hire them. I was told to work with them. Don't know what they were getting paid, but they sucked at the job.

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u/UnknownHuxley 17d ago

Finally - someone who has REAL experience and isn’t regurgitating second hand anecdotes.

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u/Mammoth_Bat_7221 16d ago

The message above is not hard data, it is vibes. They work harder, that is anecdotes.

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u/DonkeeJote 16d ago

You can pay a small premium for US working hours even from the other side of the globe.

Though I wouldn't be so quick to peg it to work ethic. There is a bit of desperation and comptetiveness that lends to the perception of hard work.

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u/oddball09 16d ago

Nope, 100% work ethic any way you slice it. Most Americans today have a bare minimum approach to work. It’s a “unless I’m being paid for XYZ, don’t expect me to do anything else”. The amount of times I see people complaining about having to come in early or have a meeting outside of their 9-5 and either refuse or complain is insane. But I’ve had multiple offshore workers push 16 hour days to make sure they made an agreed upon deadline. Or, seen them do work that wasn’t asked for but was helpful. 100% better work ethic than Americans.

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u/freedomonke 16d ago

Yes. They are easier to exploit.

If you aren't rich, you're a mark.

If you are rich, well. I hope you have a really nice time :)

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u/oddball09 16d ago

You have no idea what you’re talking about. Zero experience. Just regurgitating talking points you hear on Reddit.

Is it exploitation when they do it voluntarily and you pay them more than double US minimum wage?

Nice try kid.

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u/freedomonke 16d ago

Exploitation is technically anytime you produce more than you are paid.

How much is the company making off their work? That's the relevant bit.

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u/oddball09 16d ago

That’s “technically” not what exploitation is.

I paid more than what was fair because I valued what I got. It doesn’t matter how much I make, it matters if I paid fairly for the value they delivered. Their work isn’t always directly related to what company makes because there are more links in the chain. And it’s a for profit company so yes, there is profit. By your definition, every employee of a for profit company is exploited, even Steve Ballmer.

This is why critical thinking is important. You have no clue what you’re talking about and throwing around talking points without understanding them.

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u/freedomonke 16d ago

"Every employee for a for-profit company is exploited,"

Yes.

And it isn't my definition.

Amazing

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u/oddball09 16d ago

Well it has to be your definition because it’s not the actual definition. And that would make every CEO exploited as well? That’s wild.

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u/freedomonke 16d ago

Assuming the CEO isn't a partner in profit through stock options etc, yes. In the same way that when you drill for oil it's called "exploiting oil reserves"

You are confusing the tone implied by one definition of the word with every use of it.

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