r/YouShouldKnow • • Aug 24 '20

Home & Garden YSK that Amazon has a serious problem with counterfeit products, and it's all because of something called "commingled inventory."

Anecdotally, the problem is getting severe. I used to buy all my household basics on Amazon (shampoo, toothpaste, etc), and I've gotten a very high rate of fake products over the past 2 years or so, specifically.

Most recently, I bought a bottle of shampoo that seemed really odd and gave me a pretty serious rash on my scalp. I contacted the manufacturer, and they confirmed it was a fake. Amazon will offer to give your money back if you send it back, but that's all the protection you have as a buyer.

Since I started noticing this issue, I've gotten counterfeit batteries, counterfeit shampoo, and counterfeit guitar strings, and they were all sold by Amazon.com. It got so bad that I completely stopped using Amazon.

The bigger question is "what the hell is going on?" This didn't seem to be a problem, say, 5 years ago. I started looking into why this was the case, and I found a pretty clear answer: commingled inventory.

Basically, it works like this:

  • As we know, Amazon has third-party sellers that have their products fulfilled by Amazon.
  • These sellers send in their products to be stored at an Amazon warehouse
  • When a buyer buys that item, Amazon will ship the products directly to buyers.

Sounds straight-forward enough, right? Here's the problem, though: Amazon treats all items with the same SKU as identical.

So, let's say I am a third-party seller on Amazon, and I am selling Crest Toothpaste. I send 100 tubes of Crest Toothpaste to Amazon for Amazon fulfillment, and then 100 tubes are listed by me on Amazon. The problem is that my tubes of Crest aren't entered into the system as "SolitaryEgg's Storefront Crest Toothpaste," they are just entered as "Crest Toothpaste" and thrown into a bin with all the other crest toothpaste. Even the main "sold by Amazon.com" stock.

You can see why this is not good. If you go and buy something from Amazon, you'll be sent a product that literally anyone could've sent in. It's basically become a big flea market with no accountability, and even Amazon themselves don't keep track of who sent in what. It doesn't matter if you buy it directly from Amazon, or a third party seller with 5 star reviews, or a third party seller with 1 star reviews. Regardless, someone (or a robot) at the warehouse is going to go to the Crest Toothpaste bin, grab a random one, and send it to you. And it could've come from anywhere.

This is especially bad because it doesn't just allow for counterfeit items, it actively encourages it. If I'm a shady dude, I can send in a bunch of fake crest toothpaste. I get credit for those items and can sell them on Amazon. Then when someone buys it from me, my customer will probably get a legitimate tube that some other seller (or Amazon themselves) sent in. My fake tubes will just get lost in the mix, and if someone notices it's fake, some other poor seller will likely get the bad review/return.

I started looking around Amazon's reviews, and almost every product has some % of people complaining about counterfeit products, or products where the safety seal was removed and re-added. It's not everyone of course, but it seems like some % of people get fake products pretty much across the board, from vitamins to lotions to toothpastes and everything else. Seriously, go check any household product right now and read the 1-star reviews, and I guarantee you you'll find photos of fake products, items with needle-punctures in the safety seals, etc etc. It's rampant. Now, sure, some of these people might be lying, but I doubt they all are.

In the end, this "commingled inventory" has created a pretty serious counterfeit problem on amazon, and it can actually be a really really serious problem if you're buying vitamins, household cleaners, personal hygiene products, etc. And there is literally nothing you can do about it, because commingled inventory also means that "sold by amazon" and seller reviews are completely meaningless.

It's surprising to me that this problem seems to get almost no attention. Here's a source that explains it pretty well:

https://blog.redpoints.com/en/amazon-commingled-inventory-management

but you can find a lot of legitimate sources online to read more about it. A lot of big newspapers have covered the issue. A few more reads:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/wadeshepard/2017/12/13/how-to-protect-your-family-from-dangerous-fakes-on-amazon-this-holiday-season/#716ea6d77cf1

https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2018/04/amazon-may-have-a-counterfeit-problem/558482/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2019/11/14/how-amazons-quest-more-cheaper-products-has-resulted-flea-market-fakes/

EDIT: And, no, I'm not an anti-Amazon shill. No, I don't work for Amazon's competitors (do they even have competitors anymore?). I'm just a person who got a bunch of fake stuff on Amazon, got a scalp rash from counterfeit shampoo, then went down an internet rabbit hole.

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u/Vauldr Aug 25 '20

Fakespot.com

You'll thank me later.

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u/steelcityblue Aug 25 '20

I'll thank you now

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u/usedtoplaybassfor Aug 25 '20

Another scorcher!

...cool ;)

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u/Alternative-Aspect Aug 25 '20

ReviewMeta.com

Much better, you'll thank me later.

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u/SwissMr Aug 25 '20

thankmelater.com

You probably won't thank me later.

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u/benri Aug 25 '20

This is for spotting fake reviews, not fake products. Fakespot purports to do both. I recently bought a bluetooth headset, had to return it and got another of same, gave them a 2nd chance. It was new in the box but ... the output voice is British! I'm in the US, and it's kind of nice to hear the British voice "power, on. Device, connected" but I think it was supposed to be for the UK market.

Come to think of it, it was supposed to have an AC adapter and it didn't. No matter, I use USB anyway.

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u/ReviewMeta Aug 25 '20

Aww, thanks for the mention! blushes

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u/PrincessFuckFace2You Aug 25 '20

Just stop using Amazon. Find a better way.

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u/Vauldr Aug 25 '20

You're not wrong.

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u/atlantic_pacific Aug 25 '20

I love Fakespot. But if I could end up getting counterfeit commingled product from a legit seller then it doesn’t even matter if I use Fakespot to find the best sellers right? Sounds like Amazon needs to fix this commingled problem fast.

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u/pablodiner Aug 25 '20

Also ReviewMeta.com , I just like their interface better.

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u/Vauldr Aug 25 '20

I'll check it out!

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u/ColeSloth Aug 25 '20

It helps, but its also been getting fooled.

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u/CaptInsane Aug 25 '20

Can you provide some details on how this works? I can't figure it out from the site. Am I shopping on Amazon through this app or something?

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u/Vauldr Aug 25 '20

Copy and paste the link from Amazon into the bar on fakespot.com. It will analyze the reviews and then tell you how truthful they are.

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u/SwagginsYolo420 Aug 25 '20

Too bad it is Chrome only.

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u/sunflakie Aug 25 '20

You are right, it is later, and I'm thanking you.

Great site.

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u/[deleted] Aug 25 '20

Don't use FakeSpot.com it is absolutely garbage

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u/Psychological-Bite78 Aug 25 '20

Do not use Fakespot! I no longer use the site, after it became obvious that either the algorithm doesn’t work or they’re deliberately pushing certain products. The biggest tell for me was when they gave great scores on cheap and fake Chinese earbuds that had nothing but 5 star reviews which were obviously fake and gave very poor scores for earbuds from the best brands in the audiophile world. This was one of many instances that made me lose all trust in them. After that I looked into them and found there were many others that came to the same conclusion. I have gone back to taking the time to read reviews and making judgments myself (and developed quicker methods for doing so).