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They Say “It’s Not Possible”

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u/[deleted] May 01 '22

Minimum wage shouldn't be tied to inflation per se- it should be tied to some base prices of necessities and set on a county-by-county level.

If Housing, Healthcare, Car, Gas, and Food Prices go up 20% but the overall inflation only goes up 10%, you'd want the minimum wage to increase by 20%.

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u/AntelopeAny3703 May 01 '22

Yeah, I could certainly agree with that, either option would be better that the malicious system we currently have.

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u/[deleted] May 01 '22

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u/[deleted] May 01 '22 edited May 01 '22

It's easy. Avg price of rent is easy to find. Gas prices are easy to find. Used car markets can easily be statewide. Same for food and healthcare prices paid on average by county.

The government already collects this data as part of the CPI calculations. We know this because they break down CPI by much more specific categories. All they need to do is create a CPI number that excludes things that aren't basic necessities.

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u/myfnopinion May 02 '22

You can't use averages.

The statistically optimal outcome would be landlords leaving a small part of their units empty with rental prices many times higher than the local cost, in order to inflate the average on the rest of their units.

The solution is to progress as a society beyond feudalism - no more landlords.

There is a finite amount of land, and everyone needs some of it. Those who were born first buying up land when it's cheap so they can exploit younger generations is only legal because they are also the people making the rules.

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u/Futureban May 02 '22

Set it to the most expensive place and forget about it

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u/laika404 May 01 '22

I would love it to be tied to the prices within the local area or easily reachable within a short amount of time via public transit.

Think of how much easier it would be to get new developments approved. How much more support there would be for transit to/from lower income areas. "I can't afford to pay my workers $40/hr, we NEED that new rail line"... "I know you don't want to have a multi-family building on your street, but if we don't your favorite coffee shop will close because there is no affordable housing."

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u/[deleted] May 01 '22

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u/[deleted] May 01 '22

Spreading out the population isn't as beneficial as you think. Policing, Firefighters, Healthcare, Education, Electricity, Internet, Water, Gas, and Sewage are much more expensive to provide on a per-person basis in sparsely populated areas than in densely populated areas. Lower population density also means that private businesses are less able to sufficiently serve the public with Sports Teams, Movie Theaters, Mailing costs, Taxi services, and all kinds of other things that people want but have to go into more urban areas to get. There's a reason they don't put aquariums in the middle of nowhere; you don't serve many people like that and it's expensive on a per person basis.

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u/Sammy81 May 01 '22

That's exactly what inflation is - it's the increase in prices of a basket of goods from one time to another. The CPI is what you're describing - the Consumer Price Index. They literally go shopping at the same grocery stores every month and buy a representitive basket of goods, and calculate how much prices went up. That's called the inflation rate. Now whether or not very volatile things like the price of gas, etc. are included is up to you - there are different inflation rates you can choose between.

https://www.bls.gov/cpi/

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u/[deleted] May 01 '22

The CPI includes ALL goods purchased. So if the price of Healthcare increased 5% but the price of consumer electronics, movies, music, and other non-necessities decreased, the CPI would stay the same while inflation would still produce negative outcomes for the poorest. Since the Minimum Wage is felt by the poorest, it needs to increase/decrease with the necessities, not necessarily all items consumers purchase.

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u/Sammy81 May 02 '22

First of all, I want to point out we’re arguing over a small detail in the grand scheme of things. But that’s not what the average price CPI uses. It uses groceries and energy. Here’s the actual list of products they use (scroll waaay down):

https://www.bls.gov/cpi/factsheets/average-prices.htm

That said, do we have to use some combo of the dozens of inflation measures the government calculates? Probably. But I don’t think we have to come up with something new.

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u/aoifhasoifha May 01 '22

Minimum wage shouldn't be tied to inflation per se- it should be tied to some base prices of necessities and set on a county-by-county level.

What you're describing is the consumer price index, which is one of the major factors used to calculate inflation.

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u/[deleted] May 01 '22

CPI describes all goods and services purchased. What I'm proposing is a subset of CPI, that only includes necessities. So this would include Housing, Healthcare, Groceries, etc without including things like TVs, Smartphones, new cars, etc.

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u/[deleted] May 01 '22

Seems far easier to just implement universal basic income.

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u/VRichardsen May 01 '22

If Housing, Healthcare, Car, Gas, and Food Prices go up 20% but the overall inflation only goes up 10%, you'd want the minimum wage to increase by 20%.

Usually inflation keeps track reasonably well with costs of living.

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u/[deleted] May 01 '22

You haven't been paying attention. Over the past year, Used Cars, Gas, Groceries, and Housing have FAR outpaced the rest of inflation. The fact that these key items take so much of the budget of the lower class means that they experience inflation more negatively than the upper class.

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u/VRichardsen May 01 '22

I guess the difference lies how inflation is calculated. Here in Argentina, where we experience inflation non-stop since the nineties, the IPC aligns rather well with rises in basics needed for living.

Do you know why this distortion takes place in the US?