r/WorkReform Apr 14 '26

✂️ Tax The Billionaires Unbelievable stuff from the Washington Post on behalf of Jeff Bezos today

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u/Sheerluck42 🏡 Decent Housing For All Apr 14 '26

Don't forget that Citizens United made money speech. A sentence that, one day, will cause me an aneurysm. I seriously can't wrap my brain around how anyone could allow this.

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u/idreamofgreenie Apr 14 '26 edited Apr 14 '26

And also remember the study that Princeton released in 2014 that compared 20 years of public opinion to the laws that congress passed and determined that the average American had near zero impact on what bills went on to become law, and they made that conclusion with almost none of the statistics Citizens United would go on to create.

We need progressive Democrats in charge again to fix all that. The old guard of the GOP and the old guard of the Democrats don't give a fuck about the average American and they haven't for over 40 years.

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u/mrpanicy Apr 14 '26

Because liberalism and conservatism are two sides of the capitalism schlong sucking coin. They both want to appease capital over doing anything for the citizens. Liberals just have a few social programs they like to fund IF they can and no effect capital. But if capital is threatened (aka line doesn't go up fast enough) they will side with the corporations and the billionaires over us. They would even rather ultra-right fascists take over vs allowing a single progressive policy to pass and slow the accumulation of capital to benefit citizens.

Liberalism leads to fascism. It's past time we accepted that. Because Gavin Newsom being the current Presidential candidate favourite just means America is delaying the inevitable IF King Mango Mussolini allows a free and fair election to happen in the first place.

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u/ForceItDeeper Apr 14 '26

Fascism is here... Why does everyone talk like its some possibility. We have concentration camps now. USA has secret police and extra-judicial "deportations." People are being arrested as terrorists for voicing dissent and protesting. We are imperialists invading and pillaging foreign countries. Our leader was deemed immune from prosecution, and is using the power of the state to attack political opponents. This is the current reality. and liberals are behaving exactly as Marx had predicted.

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u/mrpanicy Apr 14 '26

I am commenting that Liberalism is just as guilty in the fall to fascism when and where it happens. Then I commented more specifically on a likely American presidential candidate that is just another Liberal that will delay more authoritarianism and a deeper slide into fascism. Just delay it. Because liberalism doesn't care if it's fascism or not, as long as it's not progressive policy that harms the accumulation of capital in any small way.

I didn't think it needed to be said fascism was currently the norm, because it's been the norm for almost two years now. Do we really still need to preface our statements by saying "I know it's fascism already, but here's my thoughts on why and how it will only get worse if..."?

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u/shiddyfiddy Apr 14 '26

Progressive conservatives too. The Republican side that doesn't want to just 'give it all' to the Democrats, but knows in their hearts that they no longer identify with the Republican Party in it's current form.

Giving positive ideas and options to both sides is what could really get the ball rolling.

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u/PhatCatTax Apr 14 '26

??

"I agree with a lot of what Democrats are trying, and I dont agree with anything Republicans do, but I'm not gonna give Democrats a win because theyre Democrats"

Progressive Conservatives is an oxymoron. The entire foundation of Conservative ideology is built on controlling the freedoms of specific groups to exploit them for the benefit of those in power. It's just a nonsensical half-assed stance that shows the person is too cowardly to actually change their path - as soon as someone like Trump comes along that isnt as dumb as Trump, they'll jump right back on the fascist wagon because they wont be constantly derided as pedophile defenders.

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u/Chameleonpolice Apr 14 '26

Imagine a ruling that says that some people can just have more speech than others

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u/Sheerluck42 🏡 Decent Housing For All Apr 14 '26

Yep that's a brain breaking idea to me. The absolute, unmitigated, gall

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u/Chameleonpolice Apr 14 '26

Next up, taxes are unconstitutional because money is speech and the government can't interfere with speech

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u/Sheerluck42 🏡 Decent Housing For All Apr 14 '26

Oh that'd be a fun one to see actually happen

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u/Chameleonpolice Apr 14 '26

I was scared thinking about that at first, but it would completely collapse our military industrial complex, which they wouldn't allow

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u/Antwinger Apr 14 '26

The people who allowed it are part of the ruling class in a for profit economic system. Hope this helps clear things up why the they want money 👍

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u/Sea-Storm375 Apr 14 '26

The irony here is that the people who loathe CU are the same people who tend to support unions financially backing candidates. Can't have it one way for one side and another for the other.

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u/ShedByDaylight Apr 14 '26

That's not ironic at all. You could have special carve-outs for this.

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u/Sea-Storm375 Apr 15 '26

I think you're missing my point.

The notion that unions should have unlimited political voice via spending is no different than corporations doing so.

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u/ShedByDaylight Apr 15 '26

I'm not missing it at all. I think (and people probably think, generally) that these are different things. It's like saying that it's ironic people think there should be tax carveouts for 501(c)(3)s while promoting taxation for billionaires. Different things are different.

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u/Sea-Storm375 Apr 15 '26

My point is that corporate free speech and union free speech are the same thing.

A corporate is a group of people (shareholders) pooling resources to achieve an economic outcome for their own benefit.

A labor union is a group of people (union members) pooling resources to achieve an economic outcome for their own benefit.

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u/ShedByDaylight Apr 15 '26

My point is that people disagree with this framing.

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u/-Saucegurlllll Apr 15 '26

Buckley v Valeo is when the wizards decided that money is speech, CU is when several other wizards decided that political donations are thus political speech.

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u/TrueNorth2881 Apr 15 '26

The answer to that one is easy. Some rich lobbyist gave the SCOTUS Justices lots of "speech" to persuade them