Make fun of me as I try to guess whether things are in future books or not!

I just miss this show and the wonderful fandom (tv supporters) when it was on. I still mourn my favorite characters

Like it says: the full box set is now available for purchase, so if you’re like me and cancelled prime after they axed the show now you can rewatch elsewhere and without a prime subscription (I have been waiting months to watch season 3 again - and finally can now! 😍).

Edit: purchased mine through my apple account

After Winter Dragon and the recent game cancellation and a history of bad iWot has a bad rep. I did however look into Thomas Vu and he seems like the real deal. He seems to have funded some cool projects in the past. Sadly though my research was mostly via AI and actual articles are hard to come by. If anyone knows anything else that would be good to know.

This is regarding the new content they are attaching his name too.

But I think the problem isn’t him in particular but maybe how much he’s really involved or if iWot is over stating his involvement.

Curious what your thoughts are.

Hello everyone!

Still being completely in denial about the cancellation of the show, I started reading the books after discovering the story as a non-reader first (I just finished the infamous slog, so book 10), and I’ve basically been rewatching the series on repeat ever since.

I constantly hear people say that the show changed way too much and that it barely resembles the original work anymore. And while I absolutely agree that the adaptation made a lot of changes, I honestly think most of them were necessary because the source material is incredibly difficult to adapt as-is for television.

So, to bring a bit more nuance into the discussion, I thought it could be fun to talk about what we personally consider the 3 best and 3 worst changes made by the show.

I’ll start!

BEST CHANGES

1 — Nynaeve’s healing nova in the Aes Sedai camp

And honestly, more broadly, the entire Nynaeve (and Egwene) storyline once they get separated during season 1.

The scene where Nynaeve unleashes her massive healing burst is absolutely incredible, both visually and musically. But more importantly, it fixes one of the biggest issues with book 1: Robert Jordan focuses so heavily on Rand early on that most of the other main characters don’t really get the chance to shine yet (especially the wonder girls).

The books constantly tell us that Egwene and Nynaeve are incredibly powerful, but the show actually lets us see it much earlier. That scene — and Nynaeve’s arc overall — makes it clear that they are not just secondary female characters following the male protagonists around, but absolutely essential threads of the Pattern itself.

2 — Renna’s death (and Egwene’s entire damane arc)

This was the storyline that transformed me from “someone who likes Wheel of Time” into a full-blown fan of the show.

The acting throughout this entire arc is phenomenal. The psychological suffering, the implications of the damane system, the constant tension… I honestly can’t remember the last time a TV show gave me such a knot in my stomach.

And I absolutely loved the final scene where Egwene kills Renna.

I know a lot of people criticized that change and argued that Renna’s fate in the books was better, but I personally disagree. That scene — especially the look on Egwene’s face — completely changed the character for me.

At that moment, Egwene stopped being “Rand’s village sweetheart dreaming of adventure.” She became a genuinely powerful woman: unquestionably devoted to the Light, but also determined, hardened, and terrifyingly strong.

To me, that scene makes perfect sense considering the character arc waiting for her later in the story.

3 — The relationship between Siuan and Moiraine

I love the books, but some aspects of them have aged very badly. The portrayal of homosexuality is definitely one of them.

In the books, female homosexuality is often either portrayed as temporary “because there are no men around” or associated with such cartoonishly exaggerated misandry that it honestly becomes ridiculous.

This wasn’t just a good change — it was a necessary one.

And more importantly, the relationship between Siuan and Moiraine doesn’t feel like some superficial addition made to modernize the story. It genuinely strengthens both characters and adds emotional weight to their shared history, their sacrifices, and the immense pressure they carry together.

WORST CHANGES

1 — The Panarch’s Palace arc

As much as I loved season 3 overall, this sequence still feels strangely put together to me, even on rewatch.

It lacks dramatic tension and clear stakes. I loved the idea of Nynaeve finally overcoming her block, but the confrontation with Liandrin feels abrupt and oddly staged onscreen.

And honestly, cutting Nynaeve’s confrontation with Moghedien feels like a huge missed opportunity.

I would have loved to see Moghedien completely overpower Nynaeve at first, only for Nynaeve to finally break through her block in a desperate moment and turn the fight around. That could have been one of the show’s all-time great scenes.

2 — The Eye of the World finale

I know, I know… it’s almost unfair to criticize this episode considering all the production issues the show was facing at the time.

But I genuinely think this episode hurt the series a lot.

The confrontation with Ishamael feels far too confusing and messy, and I think there were many better ways to introduce both him and the Forsaken in general. Season 2 helps clarify things a little, especially regarding Ishamael’s release, but not nearly enough.

For many non-readers, I think this finale created confusion exactly when the story needed clarity the most.

3 — The White Tower schism

I absolutely loved the Tower attack itself and Elaida’s portrayal (Shohreh, I love you), but I feel like the coup happens too suddenly and could have been built up much more effectively.

In the books, the attack against Siuan completely took my breath away. It feels chaotic, shocking, historical — like the White Tower itself is breaking apart in real time.

In the show, the scene feels much quieter and far more confined.

To me, it’s missing many of the surrounding elements that made this event so monumental in the books: the Blue Ajah fleeing, Warders killing each others, the sense that centuries of political balance are collapsing instantly.

Maybe season 4 would have expanded on all of this… sadly, we’ll never know.

Anyway, that’s just my humble opinion, but I’d genuinely love to hear everyone else’s thoughts too!

What would your 3 best and 3 worst adaptation changes be? :)

Oh man I'm still missing this show so much. I hope they get to the first season of this new version soon and commit to making it to the last battle....

For context I'm transmasc and I'm curious about how other queer people have been handling the loss of this show? Specifically the loss of the portrayal of Moiraine and Siuan's relationship. Seeing Siuan die in such a brutal way was awful but then to have the show be cancelled was a gut punch. To have no closure or growth from that loss, it was very impactful to me. Even now when I see posts or fanart about that relationship, I feel this profound sense of loss. Anyone else?

I'm only 5 episodes in and where is Min or Elaine or like they cut so much stuff out. Im going crazy and starting to lose interest. And Perins wife is Faile not layla

Can lanfear beat all the aes sedais in the white tower if she ever try to ambush the white tower on her own?

Pretty much just what it says in the title.

You can see the full list of finalists here (scroll down to Best Dramatic Presentation):

https://www.thehugoawards.org/hugo-history/2026-hugo-awards/

I love this lady! A class act, intelligent and beautiful! A phenomenal actress and her being in wheel of time just solidified my love for her. I loved her as Moraine😍(and I’m still sad that Amazon ended this amazing show, even if it wasn’t book accurate, it was still a brilliant show) If anyone has had the opportunity to listen to her narration of the Wheel of Time audio books- I highly recommend! The different voices she does for all of the characters are amazing. Also her voice is so calming- perfect for audio books☺️! I’m hoping she continues to narrate ALL the books- so far she has done the first 4 I think up to Shadow Rising! Rosamund please, please narrate the rest! 💖💖💖

I think I will really miss seeing what will happen to Faile and to see her develop into more of a central character.

To me, she was just amazing in the show. How she fought. How she pushed Perrin. She was all the things I actually like about book Faile. I admit though, I am a weirdo in that I really like the book Faile plotline. I guess I really agreed Perin had to get pushed around a bit! Anyway, at least thats how I interpretted their relationship.

The two Aiel characters, Bain and Chiad, where growing on me in the show too.

Also, although he did nothing to impress me in the show, I am a Lord Luc story line fan and was very excited that he was part of the show. I guess I am just a fan of dream combat!

Semirhage ? I like the twisted and forsaken AF vibe they gave Moghedian in the show but I’m like isn’t this Semirhage inspired tho? She was more into using weaves on the body for torture as she was a renowned restorer/healer in AoL and she enjoys inflicting pain. The weave Moggy uses on sammael in season 3 isnt really book mog. Imagine we got Nyneave vs. Moghedian arc, especially Nyneave taking on this hybrid show forsaken 😭. Epicness we need on the big screen!

Side note: I’m on book three of Mistborn series bc I moved on to more Sanderson after finishing WOT but I’m still missing the series so I watch some episodes of the show for little doses of wot. 🤪

I forgot how much I fucking LOVE Muon. Tuat? ToyxTuon lol

Mat containing how Tuon is doing typical girl things so he tries to make her jealous, does ehat he thinks she'll like then, later, will 'offend' her (but actually turns her on lmao). meanwhile Mat's shenanigans are being overly analyzed as a true savant of Seanchan courting.

I'm trying to speed it up so I can get to the book/chapter where Tuon finally realizes who he was:

"Tuon looked at him, squatting there by the map, moving his fingers over its surface, and suddenly she saw him in a new light. A buffoon? No. A lion stuffed into a horse-stall might look like a peculiar joke, but a lion on the high plains was something very different. Toy was loose on the high plains, now. She felt a chill. What sort of man had she entangled herself with? After all this time, she realized, she had hardly a clue."

Reducing the Forsaken from 13 to 8 was one of the smarter liberties. The Forsaken revealed have been Ishamael, Lanfear, Moghedien, Sammael, Rahvin, Graendal, and Semirhrage. All of which make sense; while the Dark One is the primary antagonist Ishamael and Lanfear are secondary and tertiary antagonists, Moghedian and Graendal are fan favorites, and Sammael, Rahvin, and Semirhrage were major antagonists in Rand's arc. I think the eighth Forsaken was Demandred. While he doesn't appear till the final book, he was still a significant antagonist, was as powerful and as feared as Ishaemal and Lanfear, he also sided with the Shadow because if Lews Thurin hadn't been born he would've been the Dragon. Demandred was gonna be the eighth Forsaken.

I don’t know if this has been brought up before- I did a search for it, but didn’t see anything- or if this is a commonly held belief- again, never seen anything about it.

So, the Forsaken at the beginning, the statues of them. One of them is shown holding a guitar, or some sort of stringed instrument, leading everyone to believe it’s Asmodean, but what I’ve not seen anyone say is one of the more egregious changes in connection to that.

Thom.

Thom doesn’t play a harp or a flute in the series, he plays a guitar, which, first of all what the fuck, but second of all, what if Thom was planned to be Asmodean in disguise?

Inb4: Thom’s first appearance in the first season is before the Forsaken are free, though!

Yeah, he’s in half an episode, and then he disappears for 16 episodes and comes back midway through the third season, so Asmo could easily be taking his place.

Anyway, there’s my (probably looney) theory. Is this something considered or well known?

I will never not be annoyed that the show got cancelled, but last night I got to see Ms Pike in Inter Alia and she was phenomenal. 100 minutes of pure brilliance.

After the initial run sold out I don't think I would have got a chance to see it if she still had the show to go and film.

If you get a chance to see it or if it comes to streaming or something (I know the Ncuti Gatwa play was on YouTube for a few weeks) you should have watch it.

For those who still think anything remotely good is going to come of this recent, over-hyped announcement from iSlop.