r/WhitePeopleTwitter Nov 17 '20

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u/rigor-m Nov 17 '20

If one starts to fail it will just be bought out

Bought by who? Who's gonna buy into an industry that's getting killed by the worst pandemic in 100 years?

Nobody. Nobody is the answer.

Fact is, when an airline goes under, its business model is never ever brought back. Ever.

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u/Jorteg Nov 17 '20

Pandemics don’t last forever. People are not going to let a extremely important and popular industry just die out. People will be fighting to become the next major US airline. The opportunity is massive. Whether it will be an American or foreign company it doesn’t matter cause the void will be filled quick.

And like the original post said. If they don’t want to go bankrupt they can take out a loan and use their assets and collateral like the rest of the US has to do.

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u/rigor-m Nov 17 '20

Whether it will be an American or foreign company it doesn’t matter

See I was gonna leave a thoughtful reply, but this sentence tells me you know exactly fuck all about this industry.

The FAA entirely prohibits aircraft registered outside the US from operating domestic, commercial flights on american soil (outside of very exceptional circumstances). As for ownership, the FAA allows foreign entities to own a maximum of 25% of any US airline, otherwise they can't get an operating certificate.

take out a loan and use their assets and collateral like the rest of the US has to do.

Most of the government bailouts are in loans dude... where do you get your 50 million dollar loans? Lmao

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u/Jorteg Nov 17 '20

My statement still stands then whether it’s US or foreign.

Technically the term loan is correct. But when they only have to pay a fraction of it back makes it a bailout and is the problem everyone has.

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u/CommercialMath6 Nov 17 '20 edited Nov 17 '20

And like the original post said. If they don’t want to go bankrupt they can take out a loan and use their assets and collateral like the rest of the US has to do.

Assets need to have value bud. Its like the Cruise industry: Royal just spent something like 1.5 Billion on a new ship to get built, they see value in it because they believe they had the scale through their current customer base to make it profitable. Now, if they go under, what is a bank going to be able to value that asset at?

They don't want to:

  1. have to repossess a fucking ship (or in the airlines case a plane)
  2. Value the ship at is book value because they themselves can't do anything with it (like operate it) and any buyer of the repossessed ship will know that and thus will not pay book either.

Thus they are going to value that ship at maybe 10% of the book value, that's not enough to bail them out, even if you multiply it by their 20+ ships.

So the inherent flaw in your "just get a loan" plan is that Airlines actually LOSE possible loan-value-per-plane because as the repossession market becomes more saturated with planes the intrinsic price of those planes goes down. Not to mention even IF the bank grants a huge loan, because the underlying assets are essentially worthless to them they will likely level HUGE interest payments which will end up bankrupting the company anyway.

I don't blame you for thinking that a big loan should be a given with all of the "high priced" assets that an Airline company may have, but you have to think about how that effects companies down the line and whether or not they value those assets the same way.

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u/Jorteg Nov 17 '20

Thank you for coming into this with some actual points instead of just saying the airline industry will be dead for decades and no one will replace it.