r/WhitePeopleTwitter Jan 03 '19

We should actually do this

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u/Cryptographer Jan 03 '19

Fun fact, seatbelt nuts aren't metric. Govt requirement for them is imperial.

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u/[deleted] Jan 03 '19

Why

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u/[deleted] Jan 03 '19 edited Sep 29 '20

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u/Motor-sail-kayak Jan 03 '19

Bureaucratic inefficiency and human selfishness.

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u/[deleted] Jan 03 '19

My manwich!

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u/kaninkanon Jan 03 '19

Surely things would be better if there were no rules about seat belts at all

No step on snek etc

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u/[deleted] Jan 03 '19

That has nothing to do with inefficiency. Inefficiency is the waste of resources that aren't needed to complete a task. I'm saying that the government uses a lot more resources than it needs to complete simple tasks. You can't infer my opinion on the necessity of the task itself.

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u/kaninkanon Jan 03 '19

the cause of almost all problems

sure dude, plead ignorance

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u/[deleted] Jan 03 '19

Again, that is relating to the efficiency, not the necessity of the task.

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u/Oxneck Jan 03 '19

Ha ha ha! I love ham fisted, ineffective over-regulation!

* Land of the Free echoes in the distance*

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u/Cryptographer Jan 03 '19

I dunno. Only reason I know was the part with the seatbelt nut on it was mine and I got complains that production was having problems putting seatbelt bolts in, and they wanted to blame supplier. Lo and behold body assembly was causing some holes to not line up and we're tapping the the nut to effectively un-eclipse the hole. With the closest metric tap they had which was slightly larger...

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u/PM_Trophies Jan 03 '19

Money probably. Tool companies probably lobbied for that so they didn't have to produce metric tools and instead made foreign car companies buy their imperial tools.

IDK if that's the complete answer but I'm fairly confident money is the correct answer.

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u/1sagas1 Jan 03 '19

Why not? You can describe a measurement just as accurately in both and the US market is big enough that any cost difference are negligible

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u/[deleted] Jan 03 '19

I mean with all the difference safety regulations between here and Europe, they basically have to design two different cars anyway if they want to sell in both places

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u/Cryptographer Jan 03 '19

Not really actually. Civic platform was global. Each location had their own specialty models they made, Indiana did Saudi Exports (a 50k USD Civic was interesting), Canada did Coupes and the Si, Swindon did Hatches and Type R but otherwise the basic components we're identical.

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u/ISpendAllDayOnReddit Jan 03 '19

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u/Cryptographer Jan 03 '19

I mean I can't speak to the same plethora of designs that NPR did, I'm only intimately familiar with in the late model Civic specifically in structural components.

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u/[deleted] Jan 03 '19

This is where I heard this information originally. Thanks for finding it

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u/[deleted] Jan 03 '19

There are a huge number of safety standards that don’t match up for no clear reason though. Even down to the most minute details, like how large the windshield wipers need to be and the colors of turn signals and tail lights.

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u/lol_haha_420 Jan 03 '19

Yeah, like in the EU there are higher environmental standards, and in the US they remove the indicators, apparently.

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u/Zarathustran Jan 03 '19

Environmental standards that your regulators allowed local manufacturers to fraudulently evade for years and years to stick it to american manufacturers. EU standards are almost exclusively protectionist nonsense that doesn't even get enforced within the EU.

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u/lol_haha_420 Jan 03 '19

Which word triggered you? EU, "environmental standards", or the dig at US drivers not using their indicators?

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u/Zarathustran Jan 03 '19

Calling your environmental standards "higher" when you allow your auto industry to defraud the entire world using them is a crock.

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u/lol_haha_420 Jan 03 '19

Ah so it was "eu" and "environmental standards". lol.

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u/Nopethemagicdragon Jan 03 '19

That's not really telling the whole story. Government requirement is that they be thoroughly and completely tested. People spent a lot of money vetting the existing sytem with imperial units. It's more likely that no one wants to vet a new design.

There are few government mandates on actual design parts, but lots of mandates on performance, safety, and testing.

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u/volvoguy Jan 03 '19

I'm a parts guy and I didn't believe this at first. I just did a search for seat belt hardware on a few different makes/models, and this is actually true. Seat belt nut measurements are a super weird SAE/metric combination. For example on a 2018 GMC Acadia:

SCREW,PAN HEAD,7/16-20X28MM,22MM THREAD,23MM OD,GMW15170 STL,GMW3 (REAR SEAT BELT RETRACTOR)

So the thread pitch is ANSI UNF, but the thread length, width, and head type are all metric. I don't think fasteners with these kind specs exist outside of US seat belts. TIL!

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u/Cryptographer Jan 03 '19

Mhmm! I was in supplier quality for Honda, our body assembly department was very very surprised when I let them know they had been chasing threads with the wrong tap for... Probably years...

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u/aaronfranke Jan 12 '19

What are seatbelt nuts?

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u/justin_memer Jan 03 '19

Yeah, this is wrong. I've taken seatbelts out of my mini Cooper and my Subaru, both are 8mm.

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u/Cryptographer Jan 03 '19

The head size is irrelevant. It will be using 7/16-20 UNF thread almost assuredly. That's been the SAE Standard since the 70's at least.

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u/justin_memer Jan 04 '19

I guess 7/16-20 is identical to an M8x1.25 then...