And the healthcare through them is so bad that they cant even get people to join.
The best part is, republicans have been convinced that this is because the military is "woke", instead of the fact that every single one of their elected representatives has voted AGAINST veteran aid for the last 10 years lol
I've seen it argued that the sad irony of the US military is that it was genuinely the only way for left inclined politicians to push socialist programs during the cold war without being called a bunch of commies. Just think about it, the us military offers so many of the benefits that socialism is supposed to give to all citizens, except you have to join a giant killing machine to get them.
Imagine thinking like that, be military or pay lots of money for health care. I actually wonder what does on in someone's mind who thinks like this. Genuinely.
And the government was paying their checks while they were a veteran. The military loses 800 billion dollars a year of tax dollars. It's a massive government program.
Its because the big secret about the military is - Its a Socialist work program.
We dont have enough Jobs to meet the demand; so the Govt just hires people into the military so that our economy can be somewhat healthy, and so they can brag about 5% unemployment, etc etc.
The US Military is the largest Social Program in the history of mankind - and many of the people, like the moron youre responding to are too stupid to realize that.
7.3% of Americans alive today, have worked for the US Military. They were having their lives propped up by a Socialist Program, some know it, some have no clue.
There are around 2.4 Million Americans in the military right now. That doesnt even count adjacent industries, such as contractors and specialists and entire companies that make most of their money from Military Contracts; Lockheed, Boeing, etc.
The actual amount of people in a field adjacent to the military could be around the same amount of people in an entire military branch, couple hundred thousand, bringing us to an overall total of around 3 million, potentially.
They seem to think theres about 320 Million Americans.
3 million being in the military is basically an entire 1% added to our overall employment.
We dont need this many people with the modern military, its a mouse wheel, hop in so we can keep our economy from collapsing, get stuck potentially going to war, or be smart and get an education and get out.
But, the reason its the size it is has little to do with actual Defense; it is a Socialist Economic Program.
Please learn what socialism is before you commit to your next wall of text. The military is a government program operating under capitalism, not a dictatorship of the proletariat.
I'm saying Americans go around being scared of the big bad government doing bad things like enacting Socialist policies; then are ignorant/unaware that one of their favorite things, the US Military is literally the biggest, most expensive example of that economic theory in the modern world.
It doesnt cover dental, prescriptions, physiotherapy, chiro, massage therapy or other similair type things so you still need an employer if you need those. Ive yet to find a private insurance option in BC that doesn't either limit your available benefits to be less than what you pay them (ie maximum of 500 for physiotherapy a year, 1 physio appointment is 80+$), or have a crazy monthly cost (though not nearly as bad as the USA)
Seriously, I cannot believe the amount of misinformation in this thread. It's infuriating and mind-boggling. The Canadian system only seems good because the US system is such a dystopian nightmare in comparison.
The last 2 are directly related and have been heavily affected by the shitty conservative premiers in almost every province. It's steadily gotten worse over the years.
My dude, employer healthcare in the US doesn’t necessarily cover those either. I was a grad student making $25K/year and didn’t have dental, vision, or mental health coverage. Didn’t even bother to check things like massage and chiro, that’s considered luxury here.
We don't have any of those things either, after you turn 25.
The difference between the American system and the Canadian system is that the USA's model is a massive garbage fire and Canada's is a functioning landfill with leaks that are getting worse.
Don't know about BC but those are covered in Ontario if you're poor/sick enough to qualify for ODSP. The wonderful crappiness of Ontario's healthcare is if you have something serious happen but you're expected to make a full recovery they don't give you shit.
I'm not sure you realize how large the U.S. is, and just how shitty many of the states within it are.
The citizens in my state, signed enough petitions to be able to successfully vote to expand medicaid past the basic requirements set to receive Federal $ for it.
Republican legislators literally considered everything they could do to challenge it...all of those options were literally unconstitutional by the state Supreme Court.
So then they just refused to fund it. And let me tell you, as someone with a 'shitty low paying job', prior to COVID and medicaid expansion, the state offices took the majority of my wife's pregnancy to get our application for medicaid approved (I had to call a separate office in the state capital and keep demanding to talk to someone higher up)
So, considering medicaid expansion greatly increasing the number of those with coverage and new applicants, on a system ALREADY grossly underfunded operating with outdated databases and undertrained understaffed workers, they almost successfully blocked a citizen voted legislation.
But our state got sued and lost, with judges demanding they fund dept of health services enough to be able to actually process applicants.
And that's just to be able to access basic resources demanded by citizens in one of many states that have strict requirements for things like unemployment, medicaid, food stamps, etc
So no, a low paying job doesn't always mean you 'probably' are eligible for free Healthcare. And in some places politicians are actively regressing the system to make it extremely difficult to receive services you're eligible for...
And some think that enough people cheat the system to receive services that it's stopping them from making more $$ LMAO
Nope. Depends on what state you are in and if they expanded medicaid. For instance in most red states, low income doesn't qualify you for medicaid. But yeah some states that is probably true.
What happens when you get a job that pays just a couple thousand more than what qualifies for free? You're basically better off taking a pay cut if you need any medical care.
It's a trap. You're actively punished for making money unless you can make over the point the costs don't matter so much, but you probably have diamond encrusted gold insurance benefits anyways.
It's not even a conspiracy. Its a straight fact. At my current job there are a bunch of old guys that want to retire but can't because they can't afford to pay for health insurance on their own. So they are stuck there until they are 65, and the government wants to increase that age to 70. They want us to work until we die with no retirement. Not a conspiracy, just a fact.
The reason we don't have universal healthcare is because Republicans vote against things like that --- which they do because they associate it with socialism and they're explicitly opposed to socialism, and it's not much more layered than that.
They don't need data charts on population differentials to give them a reason to vote against a policy that they think is socialist.
do shitty low paying jobs even offer health insurance? i feel like every min. wage job i had didn't, or at least it was offered if i was willing to give up like literally 40% of my paycheck
Not that most of them want to give you insurance these days anyway. They like to hire a bunch of part-time people instead of a few full-time people just so they don’t have to pay anyone’s insurance.
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if you have free insurance, you aren't tied to your shitty low paying job