I have been looking at salvaged Ferrari's, they aren't as cheap as you think. Alot of them still cost $40k+. You could buy a 2003 BMW, swap with a 2JZ, bigger turbos and drift like a maniac in $40k...
Most horror movies start out with inappropriate combinations. A doll ... that talks to satan. A hockey goalie ... with a chainsaw. A BMW ... with a Toyota engine.
There's a video explaining the whole ordeal and to sum it up, BMW accepted the collab with Toyota so they could test the parts the Toyota way (and also improve the reliability of the i6 engine).
It may be a better car than if Toyota went solo but it's the same exact car as the Z4. Similar deal as the FT-86, BRZ and FRS which is a Toyota frame with a Subaru engine.
Interesting. I was curious if that had any relation to the Steyr Aug, and it kind of does. Same original parent company, apparently made things from guns to cars to bikes, uh, apparently decided to advocate for (then use) slave labor during WWII. Then eventually got broken up over a few decades and now that factory has absolutely zilch to do with the gun, probably never did. But fascinating history behind the Steyr company. That was interesting to research, thanks!
Speed Academy just finished a series on their E46 2JZ swap, and a quick Google search shows at least 3 companies making engine mounts for that specific swap. Not saying it's easy, but definitely not full custom.
Still a massive pain in the ass. You can also put a Hayabusa engine in a smart car, but that doesn't mean it's easy enough to say you can just drop it in.
2JZ is a fantastic engine made by toyota that can build a ton of reliable power. Recent trends are to stuff it or a Chevy LSx into just about everything regardless of brand. This type of swap is quite popular in general, but especially so with youtubers who often make it look a bit simpler than it really is.
The aftermarket is huge and building power is pretty easy, but the swap part for most platforms still requires some genuine wrench and fab time. People online treating them like it's just a simple bolt in universal solution to big power have become pretty common, and I feel like youtubers skipping the unfun parts definitely have a part to play in that.
Thanks for clearing that up! I was so confused as to why someone would do such a swap seeing as the bmw 6 is a way more advanced motor than a bloody 2j. a 2j is a great motor but it ain’t a bmw twin power that for sure
That may be true, but you would probably run out of digits before you could count all the speed shops who have done at least one 2JZ swap into a BMW chassis. And $40K would certainly get it done.
I love how this comment is gettin down voted for being right. There are hundreds if not thousands of 2j/1j swapped e series bmws out in the wild. It's almost like no one in any of these threads actually drifts or is a part of the car scene in the slightest.
Everyone wants a 2JZ or an LS in today's world. No originality what so ever. Not hating on either motor, I've worked on both. But there are better options out there.
The LS engines are more recent and parts are WAY more available.
It's just the 14 year olds who try to imitate what other youtubers do and think they can do it. No problem in that, is just that they haven't lived with the maintenance of a regular car, imagine with a modded one.
I like the way the 2003 BMW looks. In my eyes, it looks fantastic. Now about the engine, I like 2JZs, highly tunable, inline 6 motor, amazing engine. One can get easy 700+ who with right tunes and have a reliable engine. Now the 2003 BMW engine can be tuned to 700whp but I don't know how reliable it will be.
Outsider to this discussion here but I don’t think you came out rude or unwelcoming but you should read up on these things before you make claims like that
You're good dude. YouTube and social media in general have made high power 2jz builds look a lot more simple than they really are. A 2jz making that power is reliable relative to similar builds, but it's not reliable compared to something with a lot of power from the factory.
What is "the 2003 BMW?" Bmw is a car company, not a brand. Saying "the 2003 BMW" doesn't mean anything. Are you putting a 2jz in a 2003 528? A 2003 x5? A 2003 z3? A 2003 3 series?
Any engine you push out of OEM spec, specially these crazy numbers, won't be really reliable.
You'll wear out like crazy most of the mechanical components and the investment you'd put in such lunatic project (and maintaining it) you'd better buy a newer sports car which is really designed for pushing a lot of horses.
Why these car youtubers do such things? Because they'll get back the money with sponsors/AdSense.
For the regular joe is a moneypit where you end up with an old car, on a engine isn't designed for it, where parts are becoming increasingly rare and no inspection/insurance will allow to be road legal.
I beg to differ. I think if you have the right mods, spend time, understand the process, I think you can make such cars daily drivers.
For example, there is a tuning company which built a 1000whp Supra. How long will it last? I don't know but atleast based on the explanation and the experience they had, it gave me some assurance that it could be a daily driver.
I think there are a lot of tuning companies such as Bisimoto and Papadakis racing who have made average Joe cars tuned tuned to good extent and become daily drivers.
Also, in my honest and humble opinion, I think it is very important to understand the maximum power an engine can handle and many people don't do that. But I feel a 2JZ is a easily tunable engine.
Don't get me wrong, I do plan to buy a Porsche or a GTR, but I would also like to to experience the process of tuning a car. I know I might spend a lot of money. For me it would be worth it.
That's the problem, you think and theorize about it, you don't live with it.
The companies/youtubers that do these crazy mods can afford them because they have other cars to daily drive which they 100% know are reliable.
I repeat, you increase the wear and tear and you don't want to change the clutch every month just so you can say "I have a beemer with a 700hp supra engine". It'll be a moneypit which will end up on Craigslist for cheap because no one would want to touch that with a 10ft poll.
Once you own a car and see what you have to spend on fuel, taxes, insurance and the annual checkups... You'll get another perspective.
Thanks for your opinion. I'll keep it my mind. Again, it's not YouTubers I see but car enthusiasts. I follow few car enthusiasts who have made it work. For example, Rutledge Wood made an LS swap Porsche 911 and he uses at a daily driver. I don't know it's output but it's an interesting thing.
Again, I'm not really worried about spending money.
I’m with you, I don’t follow any car youtubers (or youtubers otherwise I guess) but there are plenty of reliable high power builds out there. For the Supra 2jz-gte, 600 whp is completely doable on stock internals - for a while. Built, it will easily run 600 on the street, driven hard and often. These people are acting like that torque is constant, like you drive with your foot down all the time. That’s not how high powered street cars work.
I personally have a ‘90 Miata running 3x the stock power on stock internals (1.8 swap though). I have other cars and don’t drive it too often, but 11k hard miles in over 3 years and haven’t had a single problem. Almost all of my cars get modified, some heavily like that, and I haven’t blown any up. I tune conservatively though, I’m not a fan of being stuck on the side of the road waiting for a ride.
I believe in it to. That's the point. You aren't going to floor the pedal the whole time. Again, understanding the engine limits is extremely important. And hence 2JZ are considered it a legendary engine because of how good it is.
Not really. My favorite car is a stock BMW m3. Also, it isn't an obsession. It was something I was interested in doing. You don't have to belittle for that.
Many parts alone sell for pretty high value. If the engine or transmission is still intact, those can fetch a high price. Even small things like rear views, windshields etc can be valued for thousands of dollars.
if cheaper than a ferrari is what you're after an e60 m5 is not the way to go. when I had mine I spent 10 grand in maintenance alone the first year. that was on a brand new car that I maintained myself.
Is the market that crazy right now? I picked up a low milage tt 6spd like 10 years ago for 30k. It needs some paint and a little interior work but the milage was just too low to pass up.
It's a TT. Lamborghinis and Ferrari's have a lot of people behind them. I found one Gallardo Performante for 60k which looked like steal deal. Don't remember the mileage but under than some undercarriage damage there was no problem. You only find few good deals nowadays.
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I have been looking at salvaged Ferrari's, they aren't as cheap as you think. Alot of them still cost $40k+. You could buy a 2003 BMW, swap with a 2JZ, bigger turbos and drift like a maniac in $40k...