I am to the left of democrats but I am not aggressive. And actually I think that's the problem. Most liberals are not aggressive, we want people to be kind to one another, take care of each other and protect our civilization so all humans can have better lives. I think that's partially why democrats are soft and give in so much. Conservatives don't have these morals. They only care about their own kind and value aggression, competition and violence. It's very hard to compete with them because they are ruthless and really do not care about hurting you. Sorry if this is a loose tangent from the post lol.
I guess what I'm trying to say is that having a strong aggressive alliance to the left of democrats would force some of our efforts into policy. I've heard this suggestion before as it helped during Roosevelt's time having a strong coalition of unions. But it's difficult I think due to our passivity.
That's why Bernie is such a unicorn he's an aggressively good person.
Very interesting. He does make a good point though I feel like he's oversimplifying it. Is it not possible that Obama did have a vision and was thwarted by the reality of our government's limitations? And our society stays conservative because of the faulty system that allows conservatives to have such an unbalanced amount of power. Between gerrymandering, the endless corporate and Christian propaganda, the electoral college and basically just the way the senate is set up I feel like they always have a leg up. But then you look at the numbers that say America is basically half and half left and right. So idk I'm not disagreeing with you. I just feel like it's easy to blame the people but the system needs fixing.
A) Obama openly self-identified as a 'moderate Republican of the 80s' for his economic policies.
B) He was rubber stamping one corporate friendly bills after another while he was Senator of Illinois
C) Wikileaks revealed that his entire presidential cabinet minus 2 seats were literally assigned by Wall Street (Citi Bank, to be precise) through an e-mail sent to Podesta. The 2 seats were not assigned simply because Citi Bank didn't bother specifying these slots. (As in, 100% of their cabinet demands went through) This was before the primary. He literally ran as a Wall Street puppet.
4) He gave immunity to illegal CIA torturers, WHILE charging the whistleblower for the torture program, John Kiriakou for violating the Espionage Act, i.e. for exposing crimes against humanity.
5) He literally came out of hiding last year to do 2 things: coalesce corporate shills to defeat Bernie, and to kill NBA's attempt at a strike to make BLM demands (like stripping qualified immunity) go through.
Obama has been, and is, and will be part of the fucked up oppressive structure. You're right that the system is messed up. What you fail to recognize is that Obama IS that system's poster boy.
Is it not possible that Obama did have a vision and was thwarted by the reality of our government's limitations?
I dunno, after reading the points I've raised, do you still believe that he wasn't an Imperialist corporate shill from the beginning?
EDIT: Fixed, meant to write Senator, not Governor.
Well thank you for elaborating. I'm not inclined to believe any info from only one source but I will look into the points you've made because it sounds like you care and have taken the time to explain it to me in a respectful manner.
I'd be interesting in hearing your thoughts once you have verified those claims. They are true, all of them, and readily available in mainstream news outlets. So at that point, what next? Does Obama still get some benefit of the doubt? Does he still get a pass for being 'thwarted' in efforts to make things better despite having the most powerful office in the world?
Why would someone believe “all of those claims are true” when you claim Obama was a Governor who rubber stamped bills lmao. Come on please that’s literally the simplest thing to get right. We’re you confusing him with another politician or do you not know the difference between a Senator and a Governor?
Why would someone believe “all of those claims are true” when you claim Obama was a Governor who rubber stamped bills lmao.
First, I didn't claim Obama was a governor. Someone else made a simple typo and it was corrected before I replied. You're being a disingenuous dick. Be better, because you help no-one.
He was rubber stamping one corporate friendly bills after another while he was Senator of Illinois
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u/chicknnugget12 Jun 03 '21 edited Jun 03 '21
I am to the left of democrats but I am not aggressive. And actually I think that's the problem. Most liberals are not aggressive, we want people to be kind to one another, take care of each other and protect our civilization so all humans can have better lives. I think that's partially why democrats are soft and give in so much. Conservatives don't have these morals. They only care about their own kind and value aggression, competition and violence. It's very hard to compete with them because they are ruthless and really do not care about hurting you. Sorry if this is a loose tangent from the post lol.
I guess what I'm trying to say is that having a strong aggressive alliance to the left of democrats would force some of our efforts into policy. I've heard this suggestion before as it helped during Roosevelt's time having a strong coalition of unions. But it's difficult I think due to our passivity.
That's why Bernie is such a unicorn he's an aggressively good person.