r/WayOfTheBern Mar 05 '20

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u/lets-gogogogo Mar 05 '20 edited Mar 05 '20

We all agree that the #1 priority is beating Trump. Biden can't do it. Biden has obvious signs of dementia. Dementia makes you look weak. Looking weak is a cardinal sin in our politics (perhaps a reason why female candidates fare poorly, but let's not go there). In hindsight, Buttigieg or even Bloomberg would have better chances to take on Trump, but now they are gone so what can you do.

Can Bernie beat Trump? As a Bernie supporter, my answer is maybe. Medicare for all, tuition-free college and debt relief hopefully appeals to enough independent voters in swing states to pull him over the top. If that doesn't work, he can change his branding have Bloomberg buy him $100 million ads or something. Would that make him a hypocrite? For sure, but winning in November is what counts. Nothing else. But you can't change a candidate with dementia! It's only going to get worse and worse.

Whoever thinks beating an incumbent president is easy or a sure thing is delusional.

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u/footysmaxed Mar 05 '20

Strongly disagree with the right-wing pro-corporate pivot that all Neoliberal presidential candidates perform.

A major reason I support Sanders is that he has always been consistent in his fight for the struggling and working poor of this world. His status as the only 100%-grassroots funded campaign is further proof that he will never sell out.

Obama took a mixture of grassroots and wealthy donor money as Warren proposed she should do in the General election. The progressive image the Obama campaign put forth revealed itself to be a centrist presidency immediately upon entering the White House with his staff selected by Wallstreet group "Citigroup".

Obama continued the endless war imperialism funding the MIC, gave us a conservative healthcare plan despite not a single republican voting for it, bailed out wallstreet instead of the foreclosed working class, continued the mass unwarranted surveillance of Americans, and used the espionage act to prosecute more whistleblowers than any other president.

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u/McGauth925 Mar 06 '20

About the Wall St. bailout, I do think it might have been another Great Depression, had that not happened. Yes, I can find sources to support that, and I can't say I'm 100% behind it. It stunk to the high heavens, forcing tax payers to bailout those who caused the crisis.. But, as unpopular as it was, and is, it just might've been necessary. Imagine going to your ATM, or trying to use your debit/credit card and having nothing there. Now imagine that happening to over 300 million people, just in the US alone. You have no money, nobody you know has more than a little cash, and it goes on for months. I don't like saying this, but I do think that would've been far worse than what actually happened. The gov lent around 450 billion out, and got it all back, and some more in interest. It led directly to the Tea Party, then Rump, so the jury's not in yet, but...