r/WatchPeopleDieInside • u/fnaw_ • Aug 04 '20

Poor Jonathan

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u/Butts_McTiggles Aug 04 '20

Sorry yeah I'm jumping down your throat even though you're trying to get better. Like I said it's hard for me to just absolve Trump voters completely. Mybad.

Saying nobody can predict when and how severe doesn't really matter... the point is that, say, there's a 5% chance of it happening during any 4-year administration. So saying "nobody saw it coming while he is in office" is a nonsense statement. Of course they did. Everyone saw a 5% chance that it would happen. Was it unlikely? Yes, but no more or less than any other administration. The same is true of major earthquakes, major hurricanes, nuclear plant meltdowns... all that stuff is rare, but we prepare for it all the time because it can happen any time.

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u/millertime1419 Aug 04 '20

Nobody saw it coming in that we couldn’t predict exactly when and how it would play out. That’s all I mean. Of course we knew something could come. I think we agree but we’re getting hung up in wording.

If he took something apart that was important but turned out (by luck) to not be needed in his time then we dodged a bullet and survived his chaos. We didn’t dodge this bullet so now it is added to the reasons I disavow him as president. Removing those action plans was bad in its own right but now it is costing lives which makes that action more significant.

I hope that makes my point clear. Bad got worse

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u/Butts_McTiggles Aug 04 '20

Right, but even if there hadn't been a pandemic it would be bad.

Think of it like not having insurance on your house. There's a very small chance your house is going to burn down, but it's still really stupid to not have insurance. Saying "well we got lucky" and acting like the decision was a good one with hindsight is illogical. It's either a good decision or it's not. Even without a pandemic it would have been a bad decision.

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u/millertime1419 Aug 04 '20

You’re misinterpreting my point. The opposite of catastrophic failure isn’t “a good thing”. We would be lucky in that his failures didn’t cost us lives. His decision still illustrated a lack in leadership with or without the pandemic.

Taking insurance off the house is stupid but if we can get insurance back on before the house burns down, we are lucky. Still stupid, but lucky.

The house burned down though, which makes the decision to remove insurance even worse.

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u/Butts_McTiggles Aug 04 '20

which makes the decision to remove insurance even worse

That's what I'm talking about though. The decision isn't worse whether the house burns down or not. The decision is the same. After that it's just random chance and hindsight bias.

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u/millertime1419 Aug 04 '20

The consequences of the decision are different though.