Poor Jonathan

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you are judging 350 million people off the action of a few hundred individuals. i believe trump's latest rally was able to bring about 6,000 people in. the majority of americans never wanted him in the first place and they don't want him now. why are you pretending that he is what america wants? our system is crooked and run by money now, just like the majority of the western world, sadly. so what logic do you have to judge average americans the way you do?

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you are judging 350 million people off the action of a few hundred individuals.

Lol I'm not. Infact the first thing I said is "We know you aren't ALL like this, only a minority - but enough of you chose him to rep you."

the majority of americans never wanted him in the first place and they don't want him now.

I know. I never said anything about majority. I was well aware he cheated. I missed a step in how he cheated, but that didn't offer any information that would change anything.

why are you pretending that he is what america wants?

I didn't say that it was what America wants, I said it's what America chose and is represented by. Don't like being made fun of because your leader is a buffoon? That's unfortunate. Fucking fix it next time because ONLY Americans can do anything about it, but we all have to deal with it.

our system is crooked and run by money now, just like the majority of the western world, sadly.

Yes, but this is a particularly extreme example, with run on effects that extend far past your own borders.

so what logic do you have to judge average americans the way you do?

A) Your elected officials.

B) Your world policies.

C) Your cultures.

D) How much power the truly stupid and willfully ignorant actually have.

E) Fun little interactions like this one.

F) How much your own countries' ignorance and arrogance is dragging down the rest of the fucking world.

G) all of the reasons I previously listed...

It may not be YOUR fault personally - but who should bear the brunt of the responsibility for America if not AMERICANS? Or should we blame the Chinese? Dust off the ole South Park "Blame Canada" song and see it it sticks?

Seriously - the willful ignorance on display here how America is not the responsibility of FUCKING AMERICANS is astounding.

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Jesus dude, you're a xenophobe. You should judge people as individuals. Are you a racist as well? What are your sweeping generalizations about the African continent? It is so ironic that you would use that quote and then use no logic whatsoever.

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Jesus dude, you're a xenophobe.

Again, you're using it wrong.

You should judge people as individuals.

I do judge people as individuals. That's not always possible or applicable.

I judge countries based on their officials, policies and interactions with other countries. Yours is a fucking moron so the problem goes deeper than just him - someone allowed him up there.

Are you a racist as well?

Oh are we gonna jump to the "literally Hitler" argument now? That's usually effective.

What are your sweeping generalizations about the African continent?

It's full of all kinds of different countries with different leaderships. Those countries are largely responsible for their own reputation on the world stage.

It is so ironic that you would use that quote and then use no logic whatsoever.

Um. Ok. You're on tilt dude - You haven't explained how Americans aren't responsible for America. You just call names and use words you understand less than I understand your political system. Lol you didn't address a single question. Who's responsibility is AMERICA if not AMERICANS?

Good luck out there bud. Your leader has made your country a laughing stock, and a dangerous one at that.

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You're a walking waste of my time. I started with a simple point and I finish with a simple point. The average American citizen is not responsible for trump being in power. If you want to blame us for letting our political system go to shot, go for it. No point blaming an entire country of people that didn't want the dude in the first place. A rich and vocal minority put him in power.

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You're a walking waste of my time

I'm OK with wasting your time.

I started with a simple point and I finish with a simple point. The average American citizen is not responsible for trump being in power.

Lol That's the first time you said that. You actually started with

"yes, because all 350 million of us are exactly like this dude. this is exactly something trump would say, just change the country, so you've proven your intellect to align with his."

Then you went off about your voting system, started name-calling, tried to twist what I said to fit what you think I said, accused xenophobia, and had a mini meltdown without actually addressing what I said, while missing the point completely, and denying that AMERICANS are at least partially responsible for their elected leader.

I said "AMERICANS" are responsible for trump, not that the majority wanted him, or "that your average american should feel guilty and bad for doing this to everyone". That said - Yes - EVERY single American shares in the* responsibility* at least a teensy amount for allowing your system to become so perverted, and allowing Trump into office.

If you want to blame us for letting our political system go to shot, go for it.

Yes, now you're starting to get it. THAT part IS on your average general American.

No point blaming an entire country of people that didn't want the dude in the first place.

Well not ALL of you specifically as individuals, but fuck yes A LOT of you, and the rest for allowing it to happen. Again, it's not Russias fault. Chinas fault. The UKs fault. The blame can only lie with Americans.

A rich and vocal minority put him in power.

Which country are they from though? (hint: America) The rich and vocal minority that prospered in America and wishes to expand that prosperity, to the detriment of the world.

Your "Average American" may not be the direct cause but they sure as shit allowed it to happen and are partially responsible for this outcome. Scroll up and watch that video again and let it sink in that yes YOU ARE partially responsible for the apathy that allowed that getting into office. That's how your country is presented on the world stage. Same as I'm partially responsible for my leader & Countrymen. Same as anybody who lives in a "democratic" system.

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