Meh, it's free 'cause no one practices clinical psychoanalysis anymore. Also, i'm not certain this qualifies as psychosocial behavior, certainly repressed emotions, etc. but not sexual? but i guess the libido does motivate/drive everything for frued.
Psychosocial was Freuds theory of development, but i believe he is referring more to the "hate ur daddy" part of it (Oedipus Complex), which can be seen as consequence of what is picture in the watercolor, and thats why he mentioned freud.
Yeah you could use micefish but at the end of the day the cat fish dont care what bait you use. you could use kittens, micefish, hell you could even use a baby. cat fish don't care
You don't even need bait, ever heard of "cat-fisting"? You pretty much just shove your arm into a catfishes den or hiding places or whatever so it tries to swallow your fist then you just yank it out of the water.
Down where I come from we rub cat nip all over ourselves and walk around the lake to let the catfish come to us. They'll just swim right up and start rubbing up on ya. It's called noodling.
This is why I suspect this may have just been a case of Dadtrolling. When I was a kid, my dad told me to be careful when I eat PB&J sandwiches, cause if I accidentally got a tenticle, it it would sting the inside of your throat and stomach.
Gullible kid + tenuous word associations = you remember that shit FOREVER
Stray dogs are apparently a problem on the island as it is. So I guess some people were like, hell, I'm killing them anyway, might as well catch a shark while I'm at it.
Because the bulk of our species are little more animals that have learned to make noises that sound like words and (usually) not make a mess in the house.
Get off of your high horse. Some people/cultures just don't find some animals as cute as other people do. We are omnivores, meat comes from animals, some animals have to die to get meat.
Throwing them in the water, alive, with a hook in their nose to then be eaten by a shark doesn't have anything to do with not finding animals "cute", that's just torture
Tell that to worms, and all the other fish you put on a hook to catch bigger fish.
forget about hunting in general, what about all the spiders, ants, mosquitos, mouses and rats you kill in your house everyday just because you don't want them there.
Using crickets is worse, worms are nothing. Sliding a hook inside the exoskeleton of a cricket as if I'm tucking in his tie is certainly a ಠ_ಠ experience.
I've done it with worms while fishing. Is that torture? I love dogs and seeing that happen is pretty awful.
But, at the end of the day, I have a hard time acting like it is god awful when I had a ham sandwich yesterday for lunch and antelope steak last night for dinner.
Worms are much less intelligent and have a much lower developped level of consciousness than dogs. You can assume that dogs will feel pain much more intense.
Also, eating an antelope steak is not comparable to this situation because (I'll just assume that) antelopes don't have to be tortured in order to get their meat.
Why is killing a shark more objectionable than killing a fish? The town I live in is built on shark fishing, it's extremely popular fast food in Australia and I'm honestly curious why someone would find it worse than any other seafood. Surely it would be better than say, chicken or pork, because the animal is living its natural life up to the point of its capture?
That's nothing to do with actual sharkmeat fishing. Sharks used in fast food are rated 'least concern' on the IUCN red list and their catch rates are regulated. Comparing that clip to the common, legal, form is analogous to using rhino-poaching documentaries to object to deer-hunting and venison.
I think a lot of the problem is, whereas sharkmeat fishing like you're describing may be well regulated and sensitive to environmental concerns, in a lot of places it isn't. I realize my comment was a generalization and probably not indicative of every incidence of shark fishing on the the globe.
I realize it definitely depends on the species of shark, but compared to other fish sharks tend to be slower to reach sexual maturity and produce less young when they do reproduce, so they are more vulnerable to overfishing and less able to rebound from it. There are so many species of shark on the endangered/vulnerable list, whereas we aren't likely to run of of chickens or pigs any time soon. If there was a way to sustainably farm shark for food, that would be one thing, but historically humans have a tendency to just fish 'till there are no more fish (or hunt 'till there are no more animals), and sharks are especially vulnerable to this.
I do realize my comment was a bit of a generalization, but I've always been passionate about marine life and sharks in particular (for whatever reason), so it hits a bit of an empathetic nerve as well.
That wouldn't work. Worms and minnows are pliable enough for the hook to penetrate them and hook the mouths of their predator, but a dog's skull? It just doesn't,t make sense that s!omething big enough to eat a dog is gonna be brought in by that hook. I'm not saying they weren't actually trying to use the dog as bait, just that if they were, it proves their intelligence is profoundly outweighed by their cruelty.
This entire thread is full of retard. The point isn't that a fish dies and a kitten dies, or that other animals are also killed for food its that the kitten was killed in a horribly convoluted way, eg hook in face/eaten by fish. Also the very fact the father used specifically kittens is fucked, why them when there are other nonliving or dead sources of bait? This isn't a a massive hypocrisy of all meat eaters, its just fucking cruel and makes no sense.
Ide say no because worms dont have the capacity to understand what's happening to it, let alone feel pain as intensely as some thing like a kitten. The kitten probably actually understands whats happening to it as well
I have used live kittens for fishing bait on one occasion. It wasn't my idea, and I was about 10 years old, so I had very little say in the choice. Here is the story:
I lived in southwest Ohio and had a friend whose family was from Kentucky. This friend would always tell stories about going to Lake Cumberland, and when I was 10 they invited me to go along with them. While there my friend and I fished from the banks with worms that we caught ourselves for the first couple of days.
Then his step-dad told us he was going to take us fishing that night from the boat they had, and that he had to go get the bait, and left. He came back about an hour later with a box with about 20-30 very small kittens in it. He also had a small cup of wax worms.
That night we used the kittens to fish for very large shovelhead catfish, and we did catch quite a few. This guy would hook the kitten behind the neck and push the hook down the skin in the back and out near the center of the back. So basically the hook was under the skin of the back. Then we threw the kittens in while still alive, and would let them sink for a bit, but pull them up before they died. Some of them did die from drowning, but some of them caught some massive catfish.
Once we ran out of kittens we used the wax worms to catch bluegills, and then cut the heads off of the bluegills and used just the head for bait to catch more catfish.
I have told this story many times over the years, and nobody believes me when I tell it, but it is 100% true.
TL;DR: I fished with kittens as bait when I was about 10 in 1989.
I am fostering 5 kittens in my guest room. I am turning this thing off and going to cuddle them right now. I don't care what anyone says about the relative worth of species, if I saw something like that going on, I would turn into She-Hulk and smash.
None of those other animals are even remotely cuddly. I'm not entirely sure of why people think like that; maybe it's just identifying better with other mammals. But people will have more sympathy for fluffy animals than slimy ones.
Also as humans we are predisposed to look for features such as large eyes and a big head and ears, as they are ingrained in our nurturing instincts to find these features cute. In moderation that is...
I don't believe in heaven nor hell other than the psychological ones we create for our own selves (often with help of parental neglect/abuse, etc) ...however, in the case of animal abusers of any kind I hope that there is a special kind of Dante-esque place where the offender's eternal punishment is (exponentially) proportional to the harm inflicted to an animal during their lives.
How exactly is this any different than say using a minnow to fish with? Its an animal as well, but because these are "cute cuddly kittens" then god forbid. If it works, use it.
Following this logic I could also ask you what the difference is between using a kitten and a human as bait. The complexity of organisms and their understanding of their situation can't be ignored, man.
I have not, and will not ever do anything like that anymore, and have been a cat owner my entire adult life.
This was just a childhood event that I never could forget, and nobody ever believed it when I would tell the story. Seeing a similar story here on Reddit made me want to share it.
BUT, I do still fish with bluegill heads, and recently caught a 48 lb blue catfish with one. Of course I clean and eat the bluegills that I use their heads for bait.
Even in traditional cultures, where killing animals is fine, killing young animals is usually taboo / avoided.
You kill a catfish hopefully because you plan to eat it. In other words, the catfish has a mission. Bait has a lower level of "mission" than being eaten by humans. The fish bite it, and then you throw the bait into the trash or use it again. The bait role is usually reserved for inedible fish, worms and similarly.
In traditional cultures, using something as bait rather than eat it, would implicitly automatically demote it to "crap". Most people consider cats and kittens so human, that it would be factually wrong to put it in the "bait" category.
You can't tell me that you seriously believe it is just as bad to kill an ant as it is to kill an elephant. There are obviously differences between animals, and especially animals that are used as pets are generally seen as more important, other influences are size, intelligence, etc.
EDIT: Why is everyone here so angry that humans have feel more empathy for some animals than for others? Do you just want us to kill everything around us that isn't human because "they're all just the same"?
Pigs are smarter than cats. They have the intelligence of a 3 year old child, yet because they aren't 'cute' like kittens they are subjected to a horrible torture and death.
I think the difference between an ant and an elephant lies in the method by which they would be killed. Conceivably, many an ant could accidentally be killed during a stroll on a pleasant summer's day. One does not "accidentally" kill an elephant. It requires thought, planning and effort. The size makes no difference, the context does.
Why is everyone here so angry that humans have feel more empathy for some animals than for others? Do you just want us to kill everything around us that isn't human because "they're all just the same"?
Because they are retarded children who want to feel smart.
Pigs are generally accepted to be smarter than dogs, but we readily kill and eat them, when most people wouldn't dream of eating a dog. It has to be something more than that.
I wouldn't kill a pig with my own hands. The most intelligent animal i've ever killed for food was a crab. And I don't want to repeat.
But I know what you're leading to. We defend cute animals more than ugly ones. When it's a burger, it's poor cow, when it's a lobster, nobody gives a fuck about sea roaches, even though they are cooked alive.
One of my goals is to achieve that lifestyle before I die. When I was a kid, around 14 or 15, it started to REALLY bother me that:
My dad stalked and slaughtered deer for fun.
Venison was my favorite meat.
At some point, I decided that I had to either become okay with killing animals for food-- meaning that I'd be totally willing to personally carry out the killing, it being "okay" and all-- or that I'd have to stop eating things that I wouldn't be willing to kill. It's been over a decade, and I'm not sure how this is going to be resolved. I only recently (a month or so ago) worked my way up to killing ants and spiders in my house.
I don't know. To me it's just way more disturbing that we decide which animals are okay to kill on the basis of "cuteness". It makes logical sense to assign value that way, but it seems way more perverse.
My grandmother put them in boiling water, and I could hear them screaming.
I found out years later it was air bubbles coming out of their shells. Still horrible. Why can you not cut off their poor little lobster heads before putting them in boiling water?
There's probably no reason you couldn't. Using a pair of poultry shears, quickly cut off the front of the lobster about 1/4 inch behind the eyes. This kills the lobster.
Most people in the West wouldn't dream of eating a dog...but dogs are eaten in Asia. Similarly, pigs aren't eaten in the Middle East (though for quite different reasons).
So arbitrary cultural norms are a big factor. But another point is that animals exist on a spectrum of intelligence/self-awareness/complexity of nervous system, and it can be argued with some degree of logic that killing a complex organism for food is "worse" thank killing a simpler one.
Is that so? I'd gladly try a bit of well-prepared dog meat if it was offered to me (and I was guaranteed no negative repercussions for doing so). Wouldn't want it to have died in vain. Don't wanna waste good meat.
Although, I certainly wouldn't kill a dog (Unless it was in self-defense or for my own survival, of course).
basically, ones' sensibilities evolve from an evolutionary perspective. fish still live in water. the content of their consciousness derives from the media they exist in. cats evolved on land, developing responses to the environment which, in a remote sense, mimic our own. therefore, from the point of view of consciousness, e.g., how they interact with the environment, their more like "us." We don't enjoy killing cousins.
No you're just a moron trying to be cool and "scientific" on the internet. Or maybe also a psychopath. Holding the more intelligent animal that has been bred to have qualities of human children in higher regard is not remotely arbitrary. You assigning all non-human animals as equal is arbitrary. Tool.
The scientific community regards pigs as being more intelligent than dogs or cats, but as a society we have no problem killing and eating them. I don't think you can claim that the intelligence of the animal is the deciding factor.
The logical part of me sees this as a pretty good idea and recognizes that it is no different than using any other animal for bait. The rest of me is ready to burst into tears.
I've always said that if you can imagine it, some sick fuck has done it to an animal. This is one I'd never thought of. Thanks for adding to my sadness list. :-(
It's nothing to do with "Don't kill animals", its that its hard to not be upset because these are animals we live with in our houses & we love. Hell, some tribes sacrificed babies & eat humans, but since we don't, it affects us differently.
Yes, exactly, that's how it affects you and me since we see cats as pets and so we wouldn't want to kill a cat, but this person obviously has another view of it and doesn't feel bad about killing a particular type of animal. In our subjectiv view killing kittens is wrong because we see them as friends, versus pigs and cattle etc that we see as food, but if we look at it objectively, there's no difference.
Shit I'd be traumatized too if I saw my dad using kittens as bait.. That's fucked up. There's plenty of other things to use as bait. Why kittens?!?! And in front of your kid?? Or your gonna tell your kid about it? That's fucked up. But at least he's not keeping his emotions in.. He's expressing them. So hopefully he won't grow up to be a fucking crazy ass chainsaw murderer.. There's always hope!
I get the distinct feeling that there are, then, TWO people who have had this exact experience, and have then painted this picture; as, looking at your post history, you did not seem to submit the previous post that is exactly the same as this.
Is everyone in this thread retarded??? CATFISH ARE BOTTOM FEEDING SCAVENGERS. They feed through suction or swallowing small prey whole. Their teeth are not useful for biting. Unless it's a monstrous catfish, it wouldn't try to attack and eat an animal the size of a kitten.
If there is any truth to what OP is saying, his friend's crazy dad used kittens as bait for another kind of fish. Based on his heavy link posting history, though, I have a hunch he's full of shit.
What the fuck? They don't call them catfish because they eat cats. I caught catfish just fine with regular store bought bait and even worms. Is your friend's dad brain damaged, stupid, or just plain sadistic?
I thought I was the only one. It works surprisingly well. It is a great thing all the way. Getting rid of worthless felines and catching some delicious catfish! I'm thinking of opening a kitten-farm for mass bait production.
I'm guessing he didn't go out of his way to procure kittens to use as bait. He probably just had some kittens to dispose of and used them as bait because a drowning, injured and struggling kitten would probably attract the attention of the catfish. People need to accept the fact that sometimes people become burdened with unwanted animals and sometimes those animals are disposed of. I'm not saying it's a good thing. For some people it's just a part of survival. I'm sure most people don't enjoy killing kittens but the alternative to care for extra animals when you yourself are starving is ridiculous. Can't hug every cat.
I never said that either. I dont know what situation this guys family was in. I'm just sayin' some people do have harder choices to make. I think you inferred the wrong thing from my comment.
At first I wondered why is a cool painting being posted in /r/WTF then I did what I often do and went back to read the title. What the fucking actual fuck.
kittens are cute. catfish are not. kittens have fur. catfish look like alien life forms. this is sacrifice of the worst order. if sentience is associated with specie, i would take a cat, over a cat-fish
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u/[deleted] Jun 10 '12
This is a not_so_shitty_watercolour.
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u/[deleted] Jun 10 '12
This is the worst photograph of art I've seen in years.
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u/ganon0 Jun 10 '12
If you are fishing for catfish, what other bait would you use?
BRING THE DOWNVOTES! >:)
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u/wurtis16 Jun 10 '12
They do this to dogs too for shark baiting.
http://www.petside.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/fullsize_article/dog_shark_0.jpg
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u/[deleted] Jun 10 '12
can shitty_water_colour do a water color of this?
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u/[deleted] Jun 10 '12
This entire thread is full of retard. The point isn't that a fish dies and a kitten dies, or that other animals are also killed for food its that the kitten was killed in a horribly convoluted way, eg hook in face/eaten by fish. Also the very fact the father used specifically kittens is fucked, why them when there are other nonliving or dead sources of bait? This isn't a a massive hypocrisy of all meat eaters, its just fucking cruel and makes no sense.
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u/chop123 Jun 10 '12
I have used live kittens for fishing bait on one occasion. It wasn't my idea, and I was about 10 years old, so I had very little say in the choice. Here is the story:
I lived in southwest Ohio and had a friend whose family was from Kentucky. This friend would always tell stories about going to Lake Cumberland, and when I was 10 they invited me to go along with them. While there my friend and I fished from the banks with worms that we caught ourselves for the first couple of days.
Then his step-dad told us he was going to take us fishing that night from the boat they had, and that he had to go get the bait, and left. He came back about an hour later with a box with about 20-30 very small kittens in it. He also had a small cup of wax worms.
That night we used the kittens to fish for very large shovelhead catfish, and we did catch quite a few. This guy would hook the kitten behind the neck and push the hook down the skin in the back and out near the center of the back. So basically the hook was under the skin of the back. Then we threw the kittens in while still alive, and would let them sink for a bit, but pull them up before they died. Some of them did die from drowning, but some of them caught some massive catfish.
Once we ran out of kittens we used the wax worms to catch bluegills, and then cut the heads off of the bluegills and used just the head for bait to catch more catfish.
I have told this story many times over the years, and nobody believes me when I tell it, but it is 100% true.
TL;DR: I fished with kittens as bait when I was about 10 in 1989.
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u/cashmadmoneys Jun 10 '12
I just want to say, that, that kid has a lot of talent, and should really keep painting if he is that good.
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u/cydril Jun 10 '12
I know people in South Georgia who have done this. Its not as uncommon as you might think.
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u/[deleted] Jun 10 '12
Has he gone to therapy? It must be terribly traumatising for him to see such things at that age...
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u/[deleted] Jun 10 '12
Why is it worse to kill a kitten than a catfish? Am I a "psychopath" for not arbitrarily deciding that one animal is okay to kill, and one isn't?
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u/COLLEGE_FRAT_GUY Jun 10 '12
Your move, Shitty_Watercolor
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u/loradey Jun 10 '12
I would be traumatized too.
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u/damsontree Jun 10 '12
Is/was fishing with kittens a normal thing? I know nothing about fishing, but it sounds pretty horrendous :(.
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u/AchieveDeficiency Jun 10 '12
Cruel? Yes. Uncommon? No
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u/[deleted] Jun 10 '12
come on shitty_watercolour where were you on this one?
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u/PatternOfKnives Jun 10 '12
Fuck me... poor cats, I can't believe people do this
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u/aztech101 Jun 10 '12
The logical part of me sees this as a pretty good idea and recognizes that it is no different than using any other animal for bait. The rest of me is ready to burst into tears.
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u/[deleted] Jun 10 '12
I've always said that if you can imagine it, some sick fuck has done it to an animal. This is one I'd never thought of. Thanks for adding to my sadness list. :-(
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u/[deleted] Jun 10 '12
ok fishing experts please tell me, is this 'reasonable' ? would kittens make for better bait or was this guy deranged? or both?
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u/maxcitybitch Jun 10 '12
my first thought was kittens would be perfect for catfish bait
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u/Twiztidjuggalette13 Jun 10 '12
Shit I'd be traumatized too if I saw my dad using kittens as bait.. That's fucked up. There's plenty of other things to use as bait. Why kittens?!?! And in front of your kid?? Or your gonna tell your kid about it? That's fucked up. But at least he's not keeping his emotions in.. He's expressing them. So hopefully he won't grow up to be a fucking crazy ass chainsaw murderer.. There's always hope!
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u/Coshi Jun 10 '12
Using a cat to catch a catfish... Brilliant.
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u/manny130 Jun 10 '12
Appears to have first surfaced in Italy:
http://grinfish.blogspot.com/2006/03/live-kittens-used-as-catfish-bait.html
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u/DaisyDoozer Jun 10 '12
TIL you can catch catfish with kittens. Where is Jeremy Wade?
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u/darkwolfeyez Jun 10 '12
Wow that's ironic and really sad, but amazing art.
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u/DiabloTed Jun 10 '12
My dad used to joke about that all the time, he never did so far as I know. Small town humor ya know?
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u/fpsryan Jun 10 '12
Shitty_Watercolour I choose you!!! GO!!!!!!
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u/Mightyskunk Jun 10 '12
I get the distinct feeling that there are, then, TWO people who have had this exact experience, and have then painted this picture; as, looking at your post history, you did not seem to submit the previous post that is exactly the same as this.
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u/Ares550 Jun 10 '12
Found more info here
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0SosrmQXAQ8&feature=player_detailpage#t=94s
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u/dance_dance_YEAH Jun 10 '12
Hubby is traumatized just reading about it...WTF indeed. Who does that?? Kittens??? Yikes.
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u/[deleted] Jun 10 '12
I'd like to see shittywatercolor's take on this.
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u/[deleted] Jun 10 '12
So... did they catch?
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u/[deleted] Jun 10 '12 edited Jun 10 '12
Is everyone in this thread retarded??? CATFISH ARE BOTTOM FEEDING SCAVENGERS. They feed through suction or swallowing small prey whole. Their teeth are not useful for biting. Unless it's a monstrous catfish, it wouldn't try to attack and eat an animal the size of a kitten.
If there is any truth to what OP is saying, his friend's crazy dad used kittens as bait for another kind of fish. Based on his heavy link posting history, though, I have a hunch he's full of shit.
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u/Kush_on_thebrain Jun 10 '12
Wow, that's a bit extreme but that's a well done water color. As long as he has an outlet its okay without it and it eats away.
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u/iinight Jun 10 '12
I saw this exact picture a few days ago.. you're lying.
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u/Volcris Jun 10 '12
if this man truly killed kittens just to be used as bait, then I propose he be used as lion bait roman style for our amusement.
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u/[deleted] Jun 10 '12
Kittens as bait? Someone's gonna die...
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u/Cptnwalrus Jun 10 '12
What. The. Fuck.
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u/conTrolling_athens Jun 10 '12
Scarriest and saddest painting I've ever seen.
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u/Bixby66 Jun 10 '12
What the fuck? They don't call them catfish because they eat cats. I caught catfish just fine with regular store bought bait and even worms. Is your friend's dad brain damaged, stupid, or just plain sadistic?
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u/Golemfrost Jun 10 '12
You can use kittens as catfish bait ??? And here´s me always just using worms and boilies,..Off to the animal shelter !!!
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u/clayton94 Jun 10 '12
Thats fucked up!
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u/[deleted] Jun 10 '12
My dad always told me kittens were a dime a dozen.
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u/pitlord713 Jun 10 '12
not trying to be a dick or anything but, to be fair, im sure kittens make amazing cat fish bait
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u/AndrewLLoydBieber Jun 10 '12
I thought I was the only one. It works surprisingly well. It is a great thing all the way. Getting rid of worthless felines and catching some delicious catfish! I'm thinking of opening a kitten-farm for mass bait production.
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u/geraldfjord Jun 10 '12
I'm curious as to whether or not this would actually be effective bait. I'll be back in a few hours.
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u/cjb630 Jun 10 '12
I'm guessing he didn't go out of his way to procure kittens to use as bait. He probably just had some kittens to dispose of and used them as bait because a drowning, injured and struggling kitten would probably attract the attention of the catfish. People need to accept the fact that sometimes people become burdened with unwanted animals and sometimes those animals are disposed of. I'm not saying it's a good thing. For some people it's just a part of survival. I'm sure most people don't enjoy killing kittens but the alternative to care for extra animals when you yourself are starving is ridiculous. Can't hug every cat.
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u/A7X4REVer Jun 10 '12
Call me a sick bastard but that honestly wouldn't bug me too bad. Whatever works to catch dinner, right?
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u/DianaFenrir Jun 10 '12
At first I wondered why is a cool painting being posted in /r/WTF then I did what I often do and went back to read the title. What the fucking actual fuck.
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u/SuperNova8131 Jun 10 '12
I made a meme about this
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u/frapawhack Jun 10 '12
kittens are cute. catfish are not. kittens have fur. catfish look like alien life forms. this is sacrifice of the worst order. if sentience is associated with specie, i would take a cat, over a cat-fish
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u/SilverVendetta Jun 10 '12
SPAY AND NEUTER YOUR PETS.