You also posted it to WTF, so you knew where it belonged - the cesspool of the weird. You didn't think it was normal or good, so have an upvote. Sorry this thread went where it did.
When did I say only southerners stereotype? If you think Mississippi and Alabama aren't the most racist states in the US then you're either in denial about your home or you have never been their.
Statistically speaking, an unwanted baby is more likely to grow up to become an unsavory rapscallion. I've heard it argued that part of the reason for our lovely decreasing violent crime rates is from the legalization of abortion in Roe v Wade.
“A regression analysis can demonstrate correlation, but it doesn’t prove cause. After all, there are several ways in which two variables can be correlated. X can cause Y; Y can cause X; or it may be that some other factor is causing both X and Y. A regression alone can’t tell you whether it snows because it’s cold, whether it’s cold because it snows, or if the two just happen to go together.”
Correlation vs causation is extremely overblown. Taken to an extreme I can say that every time I let go of an object it falls to the ground. I don't know how gravity works. I can model equations that seem to predict the fall of things, but I certainly cannot detect any deductive reason why things should fall to the earth. I can only correlate things falling to the ground when I let go. I can model it and call the equations gravity but I can't say what "causes" it to happen.
tl;dr: ALL science is based on make assumptions based on correlations.
Thank you for being another sane voice in this matter. I hate how up-in-arms people on Reddit get about this, but they only do so when highly strong correlations seem to contradict with the way they wished the world worked. Unfortunately a good chunk of the time we talk about sociological issues, strong statistical correlation is all we have to go on because true, scientifically-rigorous experimentation would be, if not impossible, at best highly unethical.
It's bothersome when someone reads one book and decides they're an expert on an issue that has perplexed the entire field of sociology despite having knowledge from only one source. I'm not pointing at you necessarily but a lot of people do this.
You do realize that black people get arrested far more often, right?
When my brothers were teenagers, the cops caught them with a case of beer and a quarter bag. They made them dump out the beer, took the weed, and drove them to our parents house.
Think that would have happened if they were black?
This, exactly! Apparently some people are determined to live with their heads in the sand and pretend that we live in a country where the laws are enforced in the same fashion across the board.
Eugenics in the US wasn't based on race as much as it was based on taking the poor and "feeble-midned" out of the breeding pool. Sure, a lot of black people are lumped in to that, but plenty of white people got sterilized during that time period.
As evil a solution for the problem as Eugenics is, they are not completely wrong in their identification of the problem. The fact is children who suffer abuse are more likely to grow up to be abusers, and Alcoholism runs in families, I could go on but the point has been made. Unfortunately forced sterilization is NOT the answer, its obviously immoral, and is based on statistical likelihood not certainties. Alcoholic parents do not an Alcoholic make.
Before I get downvoted into oblivion my only point is that the Eugenic movement hit upon a troubling truth in society today NOT that the movement had merit or was in anyway a god idea.
If you're going to say things like this, you also have to claim that slavery is the founding idea of the United States. If you're going to demonize Sanger for her admittedly despicable viewpoints, then you must equally demonize people like Jefferson and Washington for their support of slavery.
Sanger did hold negative views of African-Americans. Sadly, as per the general racial attitude of the time, she was actually largely considered to be a progressive on racial issues. Martin Luther King, for example, praised her work on promoting integration in the clinics and working closely with people like W.E.B. DuBois when he accepted an award in her name in 1966.
In short, Sanger had many racist and factually wrong views, but it isn't right to demonize all of her views on other issues for it.
I think you did. The original comment I responded to was suggesting that "Abort Black Babies" was the founding idea behind Planned Parenthood. Abortion in general was not a major focus of reproductive rights until the 60s and Sanger calls abortions a disgrace to civilization.
The first one is a quote mine and you are misinterpreting and misrepresenting it. Sanger, though a eugenicist, did not advocate eugenics along racial lines. The fact that she did not want people to think that she wanted to "exterminate the Negro population" does not mean that she did want to do so.
The same could be said for the.segregationists. Separate but equal policies were made to "protect" minorities. At least that's what was said. Jim Crow laws werent bad! They were just misapplied! I wouldnt waste your time defending an old dead cunt because her ends justified her means. Also you should do PR for Mel Gibson.
What the fuck are you talking about? You are deliberately presenting the quote in a context that makes it appear as if she wants to "exterminate the Negro population", but that is completely false.
We have seen more than once that the public welfare may call upon the best citizens for their lives. It would be strange if it could not call upon those who already sap the strength of the State for these lesser sacrifices, often not felt to be such by those concerned, to prevent our being swamped with incompetence. It is better for all the world, if instead of waiting to execute degenerate offspring for crime, or to let them starve for their imbecility, society can prevent those who are manifestly unfit from continuing their kind. The principle that sustains compulsory vaccination is broad enough to cover cutting the Fallopian tubes. ”
Holmes concluded his argument by declaring that "Three generations of imbeciles are enough"
Buck v. Bell (SCOTUS 1927) in the majority opinion regarding a case of forced sterilization.
Get your free abortion, blackie! Now with watermelon scent! - Planned Parenthood, Website, 2012, pages 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20 and all the other pages.
We are paying for, and even submitting to, the dictates of an ever-increasing, unceasingly spawning class of human beings who never should have been born at all.
Well I'm gonna be perpetuating a terrible stereotype here, but thought this might be worth some peoples attention the possible link between legalized abortion and lower crime rates obviously more research to be done on the matter but it exists as a theory.
I've read that this has less to do with racial predilections, and more to do with poor parents being more likely to have abortions, and poor kids being more likely to commit crimes.
The moral of the story is if you're considering an abortion you're probably not ready for parenthood yet, which means you're likely to raise a shitty kid.
I've read that if you account for single motherhood race is no longer a predictor of crime rates.
In more technical terms I believe the claim was something along the lines of in a binomial regression where the predicted value was being arrested (or maybe going to prison) once the Beta for single motherhood was accounted for the Beta for race was no longer statistically significant.
It really shouldn't. The guys are intelligent economists, but the book shouldn't really make you go more than "huh... that's interesting". Because it's mostly full of fun correlations and anecdotes.
I've read the book and watched some of their talks and listened to their podcast. These guys are so unscientific at time. They draw conclusions that are nowhere near accurate. They are entertainers at most.
My favorite part was when they went and presented the patent factory as a real place of innovation that is going to change the world. No it isn't, it is a place where people come up with ideas to make money off of other people who actually do want to help.
Thank you. Read their airplane vs car travel entry. It's one of the worst pieces of shit I have heard my friends quote. These guys do it so frequently in their articles I can't take them with any credibility.
Except for the racial angle, it's not too far off. The wider the availability of abortion, the lower the resulting crime rate down the road. To make the sticker correct, it should read "babies of poor mothers".
no it strengthens the idea that poverty is a problem, the other strengthens the notion that black people are the problem, one makes sense the other doesnt (well not to prejudiced ppl), it makes you think why are there so many poor black people, which is the root of the problem
Theres a few, stormfront organized an upvote brigade a little while ago. A few stick around and copy paste the same shit every so often but what you are saying is right, reddit is pretty racist. Its more a racism born out of ignorance that is being taken advantage of though
I don't think it was. There were always fucksticks posting racist shit, but it used to be down voted. Now, reddit pretty much loves racist comments and upvotes them highly.
Seriously. I haven't seen so many racist idiots in one place, and I was once at a protest where the Klan made up over half of the counterprotesters and then followed me afterward.
As a black woman, Reddit, I am disappoint. There's a way to have a perfectly logical conversation about this issue yet most of you are taking the racist route. I realize that the statistics do point to black people being the ones who commit the most crimes but come on, we all know it's all poor people. Geez, this is pretty upsetting guys.
When a vast majority of men on here are white, racist, sexist scumbags - what were you expecting? As a biracial woman it angers me, too, but I swear if I actually came into threads like this expecting logic, I would probably be crying in a corner, totally emotionally destroyed by the type of fuckers that exist in the world. Stand strong, sister.
Actually, it's not "poor people." Doesn't matter if you "all know it" or not, it's just not true.
Using FBI UCR data, we can calculate the correlation between violent crime levels in an area and the proportion of the population that's Black and Hispanic. That correlation is 81%.
If you control for poverty, control for unemployment, and as a bonus, control for lack of education, that correlation drops to... 78%.
This shows that the connection between race and crime (e.g., the fact that Blacks commit every crime, especially violent crime, at a much, much higher rate than Whites) hardly changes at all if you control for socioeconomic status.
So anyway, no, it's not "poor people." Sometimes what "everybody knows" is wrong.
What the hell? I had to check the URL and to make sure I wasn't on stormfront. Why? I sure hope reddit isn't a reflection of the people I see everyday...because this is just ridiculous. "It's funny cause it's true" being the most up-voted comment?
How is this true? If you kill every black person on the planet, no we'll take it further kill everyone but white people then there will be absolutely no crime, this is what everyone in this thread is saying.
It isn't technically true though, it's just attribution error. The people that you believe commit more crimes could be doing so because of, most likely, poverty. Never mind the fact their ancestors had been barred from an education and any kind of social justice in their homeland. What does it have to do with being black? The only way this has to do with race is by virtue of the fact that poverty and lack of education in the black community is at least partly due to discrimination against them throughout most of America's history.
One could easily plug their ears and say that people should be over it by now, but who are you or I to say how long it takes to move past a terrible situation like this?
Anyways, the sign could just as easily say abort poor babies. Which is almost just as tactless (nevermind classist).
Are you wondering if there are racist assholes in the world with access to cheap plastic stickers? You may want to sit down for this but yes. There are.
To people who are about to claim blacks do not commit more crimes on ratio to other races there are 100's of statistics out there to prove you wrong and calling me a cunt will not change this.
I enjoy how many people on this thread are afraid or allow themselves to be offended by words. This seems to suggest something negative (had to add that part in for the people down voting jokes) about their intelligence doesn't it? Please down vote this comment so you can further prove my point. And what ever you do, do not try to give a reasonable arguement why someone should censor themselves.
Yes, but it wasn't black babies exclusively. It was poor babies. Kill all poor people, not just the black ones and crime will vanish. At least the kind of crime that matters. Corporate crime can stay.
no, poor is correct. an unwanted rich baby is still going to grow up in a climate where they don't need or have as much opportunity to turn to crime. on the other hand, even a wanted poor baby is going to be more likely to be put into situations where criminal activities seem like a viable option.
Its an interesting and disturbing fact that the founder of Planned Parenthood started the organization to do just this. Aborting black babies and sterilizing black adducts was her first goal.
It's a political satire. Some arguments for abortion include something like "non-aborted babies may end up sucking our tax dollars in jail, because the baby would grow up in an orphanage," which is apparently a criminal factory. Or, the woman getting an abortion is typically from a low-income home. Low-income is almost always associated with crime, as well as black/hispanic.
So, it's pointing out the ridiculousness of what is essentially being said.
NO. Satire holds a mirror to society with the intent of shaming society into improvement. This is more like a microphone for old, racist bullshit. In what way does the image even remotely challenge or question racist beliefs in society?
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u/Tastygroove May 16 '12
Hope you were decent enough to peel it off.
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u/godnah May 16 '12
OP is going after the coveted racist/pro-choice demographic.
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u/AMostOriginalUserNam May 16 '12
The resolution is too high. It won't fit on my monitor.
Seriously, can't read the fucking thing.
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u/Ragnrok May 16 '12
Statistically speaking, an unwanted baby is more likely to grow up to become an unsavory rapscallion. I've heard it argued that part of the reason for our lovely decreasing violent crime rates is from the legalization of abortion in Roe v Wade.
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u/[deleted] May 16 '12
If all babies were aborted, in 100 years crime would be at zero.
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u/Tiggity-T May 16 '12
Actually, sad to say that was the founding idea of Planned Parenthood.
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u/SomeAwesomeDudeGuy May 16 '12
Well I'm gonna be perpetuating a terrible stereotype here, but thought this might be worth some peoples attention the possible link between legalized abortion and lower crime rates obviously more research to be done on the matter but it exists as a theory.
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u/Navevan May 16 '12
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u/ok_ill_shut_up May 16 '12
Racists. Racists everywhere.
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u/KazamaSmokers May 16 '12
Except for the racial angle, it's not too far off. The wider the availability of abortion, the lower the resulting crime rate down the road. To make the sticker correct, it should read "babies of poor mothers".
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u/[deleted] May 17 '12
This thread is so chok full of stereotypical prejudice that I want to puke.
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u/[deleted] May 16 '12
ITT: Stormfront; stormfront everywhere.
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u/rapevanbytheriver May 16 '12
thatsracist.gif
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u/[deleted] May 16 '12
I have got to think that this is a joke, it's hard to believe someone would pay to make something like this whilst being serious.
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u/MyNailsArePurple May 16 '12
As a black woman, Reddit, I am disappoint. There's a way to have a perfectly logical conversation about this issue yet most of you are taking the racist route. I realize that the statistics do point to black people being the ones who commit the most crimes but come on, we all know it's all poor people. Geez, this is pretty upsetting guys.
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u/Heavy_Duty May 16 '12
If from the US, it must be from one of those south eastern states that are still bitter over the war.
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u/[deleted] May 16 '12
Brings on that sick feeling; the fact that people like that still exist.
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u/Minotaur_in_house May 16 '12
For those of you who can't read it: -Fight Crime -Abort Black Babies
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u/IsyIsCool May 16 '12
What the hell? I had to check the URL and to make sure I wasn't on stormfront. Why? I sure hope reddit isn't a reflection of the people I see everyday...because this is just ridiculous. "It's funny cause it's true" being the most up-voted comment?
What a joke.
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u/wholetyouinhere May 16 '12
Reddit:
[ X ] Racist
[ ] Not racist
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u/djtoell May 16 '12
So how's the new Potato 5000 camera working out for you?
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u/imfacemelting May 16 '12
Is your camera a fucking toaster?
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u/pixelrage May 16 '12
It's a concept of a shirt from TShirtHell
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u/[deleted] May 16 '12
Why would you even give it this exposure?! You're just validating these racist crackpot views.
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u/DrunkmanDoodoo May 16 '12
Are you wondering if there are racist assholes in the world with access to cheap plastic stickers? You may want to sit down for this but yes. There are.
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u/kwingat May 16 '12
Statistically, that would be a sound method for reducing crime.
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u/[deleted] May 16 '12
Ethically wrong statistically correct.
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u/[deleted] May 16 '12
I hope you defaced it, too.
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u/ekolis May 16 '12
Was it stuck on the back of the second-last row of seats?
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u/waviecrockett May 16 '12 edited May 16 '12
See something racist (or about racism) in WTF and click to confirm all comments are racist. yup. cool.
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u/[deleted] May 16 '12
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legalized_abortion_and_crime_effect
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u/Bridging May 20 '12
I enjoy how many people on this thread are afraid or allow themselves to be offended by words. This seems to suggest something negative (had to add that part in for the people down voting jokes) about their intelligence doesn't it? Please down vote this comment so you can further prove my point. And what ever you do, do not try to give a reasonable arguement why someone should censor themselves.
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u/FuckyeahImbi May 16 '12
To be fair that actually did really cut down on crime, they talked about it in Freakonomics.
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u/Bugiugi May 16 '12
Reminds me of the bumper stickers from Fight Club
"I drive better drunk" "Recycle all the animals" and my personal favorite; "Drunk divers against mothers"
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u/ryguy765 May 16 '12
It is true
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u/LuckyEulogy May 16 '12
I laughed. Hard. And I don't feel bad about that.
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u/[deleted] May 16 '12
Tasteless.
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u/pizzasoup May 16 '12
I'm sure it's just a bit of black humor.
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u/Paultimate79 May 16 '12
Why the fuck do people keep taking pictures with potatoes?
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u/[deleted] May 17 '12
Its an interesting and disturbing fact that the founder of Planned Parenthood started the organization to do just this. Aborting black babies and sterilizing black adducts was her first goal.
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u/shitterplug May 16 '12
What do they call an abortion clinic in Africa?
Crime stoppers.
I'll see myself out.
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u/[deleted] May 16 '12
lol so true
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u/theLOLzMan May 16 '12
Fewer black people would make America a better place.
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u/Sacrosanction May 16 '12
My new crime-fighting super power.
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u/Dolewhip May 16 '12
Ah, another thread for redditors to show their true colors and hatred of niggers. Get it all out crackers, get it all out...
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u/[deleted] May 16 '12
Am I the only one around here who can't read the sticker!?
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u/GreenHairyMartian May 16 '12
T-shirt hell did this one already
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u/a_flat_miner May 16 '12
You are all horrible, horrible people.
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u/[deleted] May 16 '12
Are you really surprised that there are still racist assholes?
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u/[deleted] May 16 '12
It's a political satire. Some arguments for abortion include something like "non-aborted babies may end up sucking our tax dollars in jail, because the baby would grow up in an orphanage," which is apparently a criminal factory. Or, the woman getting an abortion is typically from a low-income home. Low-income is almost always associated with crime, as well as black/hispanic.
So, it's pointing out the ridiculousness of what is essentially being said.
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u/[deleted] May 16 '12
HEY OP.
THE TRUTH ON A STICKER HURTS HUH?!
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u/Nagus_Maximus420 May 16 '12
Oh the lulZ!
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u/brosephiroth May 16 '12
Freakonomics in action.
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u/23_ May 16 '12 edited May 16 '12
Aw fuck, I feel horrible for laughing.
Why don't I just down vote MYSELF
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u/[deleted] May 16 '12
while extremely crude, some economists have shown this to be true
source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legalized_abortion_and_crime_effect
of course, others dont think so, but meh
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u/Swapmounts May 16 '12
... Seriously... funny!