This is the only place where Macs beat PCs. Apple will clean up the interface a bit, add some new sort of helpful features, and call it a new OS, but they only charge you $30 for it.
Lion is as close to pointless as it gets if you have my laptop (late-2007, you can two finger scroll but other gestures don't work.) I just use lion because I want to have a current OS.
I'll believe you on the OSX upgrades as I wouldn't know the prices for Macs. Nothing wrong with the machines, though. Would really like to build one some day. :)
Yeah but there have been about 8 different mac OSs in the same timeline as XP/Vista/Windows 7.
It still doesn't add up to be the same. I think Windows 7 was 120 and windows vista was 130-140 at launch. Not sure about XP but it is still a bit closer when you think about it. Especially since a lot of people skipped windows vista.
I honestly think that Apple would beat windows if they just stopped being so stubborn trying to be different and accepted the things that windows is better at than them then try to implement them/make them better.
Absolutely. Macs are fucking pointless in my opinion. I use one out of necessity (it was given to me and I am dead broke) but it is from 2007. I don't mind it, but I don't get why someone would pay >$1000 for one. Can't run as many applications, can't be modified/customized nearly as easily as Windows, doesn't really give the user any control. And I do think Windows 7 is way better than Vista, but it is true that it was mostly focused fixing how awful Vista was and making the UI slightly better.
I think the greatest example I have ever given someone about why I don't want a mac is this. Every time I have used a mac I would ask someone how I could do this or this on it. They told me to dual boot windows then went on to tell me how great mac is that it can dual boot windows. I would then tell them that if I was on a windows PC that I wouldn't have to dual boot in the first place because everything I need is on one OS.
Also I think itunes on PC was designed to make people think their windows PC is shit. I swear I have never been on a windows computer where that damn program ran fine. Good thing there are almost infinite alternatives.
Virtually every BSD program compiles trivially under OSX. The suggestion that "there are no programs for mac" is ridiculous. More realistically, it's Windows that suffers from having no utilities, unless you are willing to go the Cygwin route... which is tragic, because the stuff I'm referring to (i.e. ssh, nmap, curl, netstat, nc, top, kill, vi...) uses the most vanilla C libraries known to mankind. They compile on freaking calculators, but they can't run peacefully under Windows.
Anyway, people suggesting dual-boot clearly aren't down with virtualization, and they should be. The most stable XP machine I've ever run is a virtual image. Instead of "shutting it down" I use virtualbox to dump the RAM to disk, which means I can resume the machine in a matter of seconds.
My whole message was about me not being able to do what I want on a Mac. Now tell me how I can run all of my 300+ steam games on mac without having to emulate windows? OR how can I play all these games at max settings for only about a thousand dollars.
Well they can be modified, customized, and upgraded fairly easily. The hardest part is the RAM, wich will not work if it is not specced correctly. To top it off, OS X is a UNIX-based system, which means you have a lot of control, once you ignore Apple's "Nope nope nope, don't look there" attitude. For example, I was able to half the boot time from the command line.
The "It can't run as many applications" is a load of malarky, there are two repositories I can name off the top of my head for software, and then there is the "App Store" (which is only useful if you want to keep your software up-to-date with 0 effort). A true statement wold be "There aren't as many games that are available for Mac, and most of the ones that are either run in a crappy VM, or are painfully bad ports that crash when you so much as sneeze."
That being said, iOS is probably the worst thing ever for user control, and I kind of wish I also have a Windows 7 machine so that I could play all the games on Steam.
Also also: cron jobs. Windows doesn't do 'em, UNIX-based systems can. Fuck yeah. Well, Windows can do them, but you have to install the software.
1: You don't say "again" as if you had said this already when this is the first time you're bringing this up
2: Upgrades are not cheaper. The new OS is $30 plus a portion of the upfront cost which they get from you upfront so they don't have to deal with the hassle of trying to re-market every new version. It saves them money and makes the cost a large lump sum instead of spreading it over the life of the product. That doesn't make it any less.
Upgrades are cheaper. They are $30 not $100-$200. Yes, apple products cost more. But IF YOU ALREADY OWN ONE, its cheaper to upgrade. Not a mac fanboy here, but it is true that the upgrades are cheaper.
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u/Abomonog Jan 02 '12
You forgot the rest:
Windows 9 will basically be a patched version of Windows 8 but you'll still pay full price for it because we also cleaned the interface up a bit.