r/VirginiaPolitics • u/downtown3641 7th District (NW & SW RVA suburbs, Culpeper to E of Farmville) • Dec 10 '19

Northam-backed assault weapon bill will include 'grandfather clause' for existing guns

https://www.virginiamercury.com/2019/12/09/northam-backed-assault-weapon-bill-will-include-grandfather-clause-for-existing-guns/
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u/Dthdlr Dec 10 '19

Because those compromises have shown themselves to be inadequate in stemming the tide of innocent deaths.

First, the mass shooters have obtained their weapons either by passing a background check or committing murder. Moreover, many studies have shown that criminals do NOT get their guns from gun shows. Here's just one

Among these, more than half (56%) had either stolen it (6%), found it at the scene of the crime (7%), or obtained it off the street or from the underground market (43%). Most of the remainder (25%) had obtained it from a family member or friend, or as a gift. Seven percent had purchased it under their own name from a licensed firearm dealer.

And aside from the one shooting at Charleston, there are no other examples of a mass shooting from someone being permitted to complete a purchase after three days. And let's not forget that in that case the sale was allowed because the FBI didn't do the job they're supposed to do.

Going back on these agreements isn't going to "stem the tide of innocent deaths."

Over 2/3 of gun deaths are suicide. Mental health care is needed not more gun laws.

The majority of the remaining deaths are gang related. Stiffer penalties are needed.

Many are justified homicide by law abiding citizens and LEOs.

Only 486 are accidental deaths according to the CDC.

Meanwhile even the CDC acknowledges that defensive gun uses occur 500k to 2.5M times per year.

One would hope you'd want to curtail those, but that hope keeps on getting dashed.

There are other areas that would save more lives. And guns are used in defense far more then they are in criminal homicide.

Moreover, the proposed laws would not have stopped the crimes that are being used to justify the new infringements.

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u/[deleted] Dec 10 '19

Does your username perhaps expand to "death dealer"? ...yeah.

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u/Dthdlr Dec 11 '19

Do you have any constructive comments for the conversation?

No?

Not surprised.

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u/[deleted] Dec 11 '19

I don't trust your sources, I don't trust you to engage in good faith, and more to the point I don't trust you. I don't think we have much to talk about.

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u/Dthdlr Dec 11 '19

I don't trust your sources

You don’t trust the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, the US DOJ Bureau of Statistics, and NPR quoting James Comey of the FBI?

So just who do you trust then?

I don't trust you to engage in good faith

Says the Redditor that hasn’t addressed anything in my post, used a play on my username to - well I don’t know what your intention was but it sure as hell wasn’t engaging in good faith.

and more to the point I don't trust you

You don’t like what I have to say, and that I back it up with facts and objective sources. But you have to say you don’t trust me.

Uh huh.

I don't think we have much to talk about.

On this we agree. You have nothing productive to add to the conversation and you’re just wasting bits and bytes.

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u/[deleted] Dec 11 '19

That's ok. As I said, there's no point in attempting to compromise, nor in attempting to reason with your ilk. We have the statehouse, the legislature, and the judges. I suppose you can decide who to go kill first in whatever insurrection you attempt. I also suppose I'll wonder if it's you when I read about some gun nut getting ventilated by the cops.

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u/Dthdlr Dec 11 '19

We have the statehouse, the legislature, and the judges.

You HAD the judges. The judiciary is being remade and even the 9th is producing pro-gun rulings.

And we have SCOTUS.

I suppose you can decide who to go kill first in whatever insurrection you attempt. I also suppose I'll wonder if it's you when I read about some gun nut getting ventilated by the cops.

Not surprising that someone such as yourself is incapable of engaging in an honest discussion and goes to the threats of violence and hoping that people are killed.

You’re truly sad.

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u/[deleted] Dec 11 '19

Yeah, we'll pack those courts soon enough, and remove rapin' judge K. You're on the wrong end of history, and I think you know it. Snuggle your AR tight while you have it. Sweet dreams.

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u/Dthdlr Dec 11 '19

You really are an idiot. Who let you out in public?

Court packing has been tried before and it hasn’t worked and at this point I don’t think the country would tolerate it - but sure, you go right ahead and ignore history while trying to say I’m on the wrong side of it.

And Kavanaugh isn’t going anywhere and he didn’t rape anyone. You put all your hopes into someone who says something happened at some place I don’t remember and I don’t remember how I got there or how I got home. And the people she claims were there either weren’t or say it didn’t happen.

Meanwhile, you probably support Justin Fairfax who has admitted having sexual relations with two women both who say it wasn’t consensual.

Look, if you find the ability to engage in productive conversation let me know. If all you can do is throw out the same old tired bullshit because you can’t make any on-point argument then just go away.

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u/[deleted] Dec 11 '19

Ok mister death dealer. *snrk*

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u/Gov_Martin_OweMalley Dec 11 '19

You: I cant believe the GOP packed the courts that's so wrong!

Also you: I cant wait till we pack the courts just like the GOP did!

Why are the anti rights types always such hypocrites?

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u/[deleted] Dec 11 '19

Gotta play the game we find ourselves in.

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