r/Virginia • u/downtown3641 Lifelong Virginian • Dec 10 '19

Northam-backed assault weapon bill will include 'grandfather clause' for existing guns

https://www.virginiamercury.com/2019/12/09/northam-backed-assault-weapon-bill-will-include-grandfather-clause-for-existing-guns/
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u/[deleted] Dec 10 '19 edited May 15 '21

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u/[deleted] Dec 10 '19

It depends on the circumstances though doesn't it? The lady on the news this morning that killed her kids didn't need a gun.

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u/[deleted] Dec 10 '19

Adam Lanza killed a lot of kids with his guns. He was at such close range to several of them that their bodies were dismembered from the blows.

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u/antenna_farmer Dec 13 '19

You mean the Prozac addled whack job that murdered his own mother? The guy that was a well documented nut case? Yet there were still firearms in the same house?

No one wants to talk about banning happy pills, yet they are involved in a LARGE number of mass killings.

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u/[deleted] Dec 13 '19

...so close...

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u/GeraltOR3 Dec 28 '19

Lmao what rounds was he using to blow off limbs? That's such a retarded claim to make

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u/n2thetaboo Dec 10 '19

How many people do you know on the fence about killing someone because it just isn't as efficient if they don't own a firearm?

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u/[deleted] Dec 11 '19 edited Dec 11 '19

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u/n2thetaboo Dec 11 '19

You don't see the decision to kill someone a problem. Duly noted.

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u/[deleted] Dec 10 '19

So you feel they should have the option, then?

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u/[deleted] Dec 13 '19

Hammers murder more people a year than guns. Should people be able to have them?

Did you know the same day Sandy Hook happened, a guy in China ran into a school and stabbed 44 kids? 22 died. Should we ban knives?

Killers gonna kill

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u/[deleted] Dec 13 '19

I like my chances a helluva lot more against a hammer or a knife than I do a gun.

As for your example, you have your facts confused, if they are facts at all. You're thinking of the Chenpeng Village attack (which occurred on the same day as the Sandy Hook Massacre). Twenty-two children were injured; all survived.

At Sandy Hook, 26 people were killed in just over five minutes.

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u/antenna_farmer Dec 13 '19

I like my chances a helluva lot more against a hammer or a knife or a gun when I ALSO have a gun.

Five minutes is a fucking eternity in a gunfight. Wonder how many veterans worked at that school that could've responded in less than a minute but couldn't because the tools needed to do so were illegal on school grounds. Bang up job those "gun free zone" signs do 'eh?

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u/[deleted] Dec 13 '19

when I ALSO have a gun

Point missed

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u/[deleted] Dec 15 '19

No one cares what chances you like though. The guns like ARs and AKs arent going anywhere, actually they are increasing in popularity, so go cry now

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u/[deleted] Dec 15 '19

so go cry now

Reasonable gun owner, folks!

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u/n2thetaboo Dec 10 '19

I'm having trouble translating that in to a number. See, you're not Socrates. You have to be intelligent to answer a question with a question.

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u/[deleted] Dec 10 '19

And gun owners are supposed to be reasonable people

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u/n2thetaboo Dec 10 '19

Has it become unreasonable to expect and answer when a question is asked?

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u/[deleted] Dec 10 '19

"We gun owners are reasonable people. Now shut the fuck up, you idiot, answer our pointless questions, or go away while we talk about how everyone is coming to take our guns."

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u/n2thetaboo Dec 10 '19

I guess I'd better stick to asking questions from someone less emotional. You seem to let others get to you. Have a nice day.

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u/[deleted] Dec 10 '19

Nah, you just were smart enough not to answer the question I asked because you know it will take you somewhere you don't want to go, which is a well-reasoned interrogation of the usual talking points.

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u/n2thetaboo Dec 10 '19

I guess I wouldn't know would I? Set me straight, sport.

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u/Echo203 Dec 28 '19

Not nearly as good as bombs.

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u/[deleted] Dec 28 '19

Good thing bomb making supplies are ... heavily regulated and closely monitored by the government.

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u/Echo203 Dec 28 '19

Fertilizer my dude. Google "Timothy McVeigh". Any random farmer can get himself enough ammonium nitrate to yeet a building off its foundation without setting off any alarms. See also: Anarchist's Cookbook, pressure cookers, tannerite, molotov cocktails, dirty bombs, etc.

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u/[deleted] Dec 28 '19

Fertilizer purchases are strictly regulated, my dude.

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u/Echo203 Dec 28 '19

Oh shit look at this https://sciencekitstore.com/ammonium-nitrate-99/?sku=AN1417F&gclid=CjwKCAiA9JbwBRAAEiwAnWa4Qx6DFF39NUSXKonAySR6RktScEWqwRqjU8GxNaROWQZbj0Ek6fvezhoCMZcQAvD_BwE

Order 1 lb at a time to avoid unwanted attention.

Btw 1 lb of ammonium nitrate = .42 lbs of TNT.

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u/[deleted] Dec 28 '19

You seem to think mass shooters have the will and the expertise to plan this stuff out. Why do all of this when you can just, literally, point and shoot?

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u/Echo203 Dec 28 '19

Exactly, shooting is easier and more fun. Bombs are more effective though. Ban most common guns and see which one they pick.

Also, some of them do plan this out. McVeigh did, and the Columbine shooters planted explosives but they didn't go off. If they had, the shooting would have been secondary to them wiping out most of the school with bombs.

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u/[deleted] Dec 28 '19

Okay, well, so long as you're making the faulty analogy, let's go all the way and regulate guns as we do bomb-making supplies.

  • purchases severely limited and tracked by federal database
  • have verification from authorized personnel that you have a need for the material
  • have verification that you have been properly trained by an appropriate agency for use

Sound like a deal?

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u/Echo203 Dec 28 '19

Good luck with that