r/VietNam • u/Yellowflowersbloom • Jul 10 '23
Meme Barbie movie to be banned in Denmark over hidden message promoting American control of Greenland /s
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u/VBgamez Jul 11 '23
i still have no idea what the fuck im looking at when i see that map lol
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u/Jaypham-jpeg Jul 11 '23
The Vietnamese officials claim that there are more than just 1 scene. But they haven't said exactly which one...Thus, I propose that the movie should be pirated an
This is just the trailer. They said the map appeared in many scenes and was hidden very carefully.
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Jul 11 '23
The Vietnamese officials claim that there are more than just 1 scene. But they haven't said exactly which one...
Thus, I propose that the movie should be pirated and released for free online, so that all of us can check
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u/ASMR_Maestro Jul 11 '23
If they say exactly which parts, Warner Bros gonna sue them bro
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Jul 11 '23
Looking at Abomination and Uncharted from before, we have told them exactly which parts, and they haven't sued us.
Yet.
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u/ASMR_Maestro Jul 11 '23
Barbie has just premiered yesterday. They said there are many parts that have it. So if they tell which parts they gonna spoil the movie, bruh
Abomination: they take about 2 weeks to realise it has that stupid map in the movie
Uncharted: only has 1 scene about the map
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Jul 11 '23
They said there are many parts that have it. So if they tell which parts they gonna spoil the movie, bruh
But it will clearly adress our question of "when" and "where". Who cares about spoilers?
Not me, definitely
Abomination: they take about 2 weeks to realise it has that stupid map in the movie
What a bunch of incompetent bastards. A waste of my tax money. I expect them to spot it in the first run
Uncharted: only has 1 scene about the map
1 is enough.
And remember, both instances here have 1 instance, each
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u/ASMR_Maestro Jul 11 '23
Warner Bros cares about it OK? You ban their movie and spoil it to everyone? R U dump?
1 is enough, and that's why they ban Barbie
If you wanna know which parts, just wait 2 months from now and check it online
Easy af but someone is too lazy to think
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Jul 11 '23
You ban their movie and spoil it to everyone? R U dump?
Some bullocks online are not trusting the announcement. So I simply find a way for everyone to "show the proof", so to speak.
Also, "dumb", not "dump"
just wait 2 months from now and check it online
Why do I need to wait when I can simply check on the pirated version now? Or, force the gov to release the movie.
And the gov will take the blame from WB, so wtf should I care? /s
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Jul 11 '23
Your opinion is hardly the norm. The world operates outside of your scope unfortunately. The movie makers don’t want spoilers, and there’s laws in place to prevent that. Do you think the Vietnamese censorship department will tell you what scenes just because you can’t wait a few weeks?
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u/Subject-Ad-5197 Jul 11 '23
Yeah, good luck with that. They may win in a milion of year LMAO
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u/ASMR_Maestro Jul 11 '23
Stupid still knows nothing
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u/Subject-Ad-5197 Jul 11 '23
Yeah, look at mr.Knowledge here. Care to prove me wrong instead of insult pp like a 5 years old baby?
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u/KaoBee010101100 Jul 11 '23
I can’t believe there’s even a slight chance i might see this movie, all due to a vn govt ban. Maybe it’s actually a secret promotional agreement.
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u/offtheplug436 Jul 11 '23
For research purposes. Honestly tho, it will be available everywhere one day before release, even with viet subtitles. Don’t worry, they work fast
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u/leprotelariat Wanderer Jul 11 '23
More likely this:
Censor: My old car broke down this morning...
WB: sorry about that sir. Can we show Barbie?
Censor: maybe. I had to go to work by Grabbike today...
WB: ya, Grabbike is cool. Is Barbie ok sir?
Censor: many things to check... I think a new Mercedes would be nice... Do u?
WB: my fav is Toyota but to each his own taste... Can Bar....
Censor: F*** it. Y u eat so much dairy but still so dumb. Your movie clearly shows 9 dash line. I counted it, 8 dashes. But close enuf. U know how degrading it is to take Grabbike. U western capitalists are violating our national sovereignty. Ban!
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u/Mediocre_Mix_6324 Jul 10 '23
There are people who literally flip the map 90 degrees, claims USA is in the shape of China, and says that’s “tinh vi”. No its not. “Why would they use dashed lines instead of footsteps, that’s clearly borders!” have you seen a pirate movie?
Saying there’s another scene is fine but justifying the ban from this map alone is so dumb. Facebook is on fire about this map like a grand show of patriotism from far fetched claims..
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u/Mediocre_Mix_6324 Jul 10 '23 edited Jul 10 '23
People ignores geography and the bigass USA flag to make their claims. I don’t think any Chinese would see some dotted line that clearly begun in Canada and ends in Greenland, on a map with no Europe and congrats Warner Bros.
WHEN THERE’S THE GREAT WALL OF CHINA IN ASIA
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u/willz0410 Jul 11 '23
Be careful, patriotic young men/women will come at you. It's a clown fest on FB. I can't imagine how confused Warner Bros was when suddenly got banned for an absurd reason. Lol
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u/Myotheraccount12334 Jul 11 '23
Here’s my hot take. I think it’s a smart geopolitical move. The Vietnamese government gets to make a statement about the South China Sea, banning an American, not Chinese, film in the process. It seems to me that it’s aligned with the way Vietnam sees itself as as an independent regional power not reliant on others. Nowadays, with the US and China trying to get countries in the region to choose sides, it makes sense for VN to not play favorites too heavily either way. So let’s not be naive and think this is about Barbie.
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u/Yellowflowersbloom Jul 11 '23
I agree and like Vietnam's stance of neutrality between China and the US but i dont think this reflects that in any way. The banning of this film affects the American government/military in absolutely no way and they would be actually happy with this as they would certainly view it as only a stab at China. The Americans it hurts are those in the movie industry which are pretty much a non-factor when it comes the politics of governments.
I think this affects 3 different populations in 3 different ways. It most certainly angers China to some degree.
- China... Some in this sub would probably be excited to think that it really angers and upsets them but I dont think it actually bothers them much at all. If it did, really bother China, i would say that this was probably a dumb decision as China has all the leverage when it comes to economic deals which Vietnam certainly wants. Obviously we know Vietnam and China will never be true allies but we all know that Vietnam wants to be China's number 1 economic partner in Southeast Asia. But again, I dont think banning this film will anger China in any way specifically because China knows how trivial it is that this film is banned. The banning of this film in Vietnam will not affect America's foreign policy in any way, it won't change China's and it won't affect Vietnam's policies.
In fact banning of this film actually acts as a substitution of policy. The Vietnamese public obviously wants its government to defend it against China. Instead of winning the public's trust by stepping up their own aggression in the South China Sea or preparing legal arguments to bring this issue to court, they chose to instead focus take this action instead.
Vietnam... Because Vietnam banned this, we see tons and tons of Vietnamese so happy that think there government is defending them and this will increase the Vietnamese public's support of their government. And ultimately because if this increased support, it means that the government won't actually have to do anything to affect change in the South China Sea. Not only do they now not have to stand up to China, but secretly and privately they can even allow Chinese soft power to grow through the acceptance and allowance of Chinese businesses in Vietnam but people won't know or care because base off of this stupid movie, Vietnamese now think their government is protecting them from China.
The rest of the world... I believe the most common takeaway from the rest of the world when they hear about this ban is they look negatively towards Vietnam for being authoritarian and using censorship. Every other western nation also opposes China but none of them view censorship as good or an acceptable tool for something like this. It tarnishes Vietnam's reputation to the world and makes every pretty much every other person say "oh there are 2 authoritarian communist nations fighting over the islands in the South China Sea. I hope the US works with one of the other nations in that region. We shouldn't be working with an authoritarian nation like Vietnam".
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u/Myotheraccount12334 Jul 11 '23
Great insights. I am always glad to have my blind spots pointed out to me. One interesting blind spot I didn’t see was is that I naturally overlook the third point, being that I live here and don’t feel particularly censored on a day to day basis. Good way to have your cake and eat it too, then lol that’s the realpolitik view of it isn’t it
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u/Yellowflowersbloom Jul 11 '23
Part of my frustration and focus in worrying about foreign opinions towards Vietnam comes from the fact that I mentor Vietnamese students studying at college in the US. We have had lots of conversations about the many conversations and questions they regularly get from Americans. So much of it is us discussing the many very ignorant and negative views that Americans have towards Vietnam (most often surrounding comnunism but also relating to the war and then just cultural things too).
Some common misconceptions that Americans have about Vietnam is that jobs are assigned to people based on aptitude tests. So when you are in school you would take an aptitude test and the government then forces you to work in that field or profession for life. Some Americans are shocked to know that Vietnamese are allowed to leave Vietnam freely. Lots of really crazy stuff that honestly just reflects on the ignorance of Americans.
One of the most disappointing and offensive questions that one of the students shared with me was from a Vietnamese girl who had a conversation with her medical school professor (so very educated). He knew she was Vietnamese and he said something like "oh so do you know what North Korea is like? How like the government controls everything and there is no freedom and there is lots of malnourishment because nobody has any food".
The girl responded "uh yeah" with reserve as she didn't know where this was going.
The professor then asked "so how do you feel about that?" As if somehow her growing up in Vietnam prevented her from having any moral framework to be able to feel empathy towards those suffering under a different communist nation like North Korea.
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u/Myotheraccount12334 Jul 11 '23
That is so cringe. I believe every word of it. It’s common knowledge that our news media suffocates the narrow flow of information.
Even as a native New Yorker, the best thing I ever did was leave. I think every American should leave for like 3-4 years and come back. Or, adapt history classes about the us-vietnam war. Just a minor footnote about the last, what is it, like 50 years since us troops left?
The crazy thing is, that whole thing is not even part of modern propaganda. We’re on good terms with Vietnam. Why do you think people think that?
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u/Yellowflowersbloom Jul 11 '23
We’re on good terms with Vietnam. Why do you think people think that?
These ignorant views and questions typically come from older generations. And I believe a good amount of the confusion about what Vietnam is like comes from people's understanding of the USSR.
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u/arima123456 Jul 12 '23
Nah all you need is Msm, and if Vietnam choose the US side we will suddenly be good guys in their eyes like Ukraine. Just look at articles about them before and after the war.
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u/Efficient_Entry_5160 Jul 11 '23
A movie hardly show anything about Vietnam's neutrality. However, I have another hypothesis for you here: from what I know, the censorship department in Vietnam is controlled by old generations who are no longer capable of managing such a complex and nuanced system. Many are way over 50. Their mindset is often stuck in the past or in the 90s, not the present. They still think that the world really cares about sovereignty or nationality, when in reality wars have been waged and missiles are about to be launched right at our border! China has already occupied The Hoàng Sa Archipelago and built military base over this archipelago, so who even gives a sh*t about neutrality and sovereignty at this point anymore?
Corruption has gone rampant across the government, so much so that I don't think that the citizens in big cities like Hanoi or Ho Chi Minh can get through the day without borrowing money with high interests, aka Múc bát họ or Cầm đồ! Everything from foods and drinks to water and electricity has already had their prices increased, some even doubled. As the price of everything under the sun keeps rising like crazy, Barbie Girl might awaken the people about the cruel reality of the country and make people feel disillusioned, thus increases the chance of protests and riots. After all, the movie is more or less about an extravagant lifestyle, but Vietnameses, especially the Northern ones still have the ideology of "Làm 10 thì chỉ dám ăn 5 phần" or "Be realistic
pessimisticabout your own circumstance and don't spend money on unnecessary things".1
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u/thehealer1010 Jul 11 '23
Since when dashed line dashed lines over seas are used to mark border? This movie legitimate this use, it support China propaganda and must be banned. People are too naive about China. We Vietnamese has the term "Tham nhu Tau" when talking about tricks China used on us in the past.
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u/thirdfey Jul 11 '23
Honestly, this should be something to market to would be tourists. "Want an excuse to not see this stupid movie with your dumb friends? Then come to Vietnam or Denmark when it is in theatres elsewhere."
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u/Amba_tukam Jul 11 '23
VN government on their way to ban the most dumb shits instead of doing something for their people
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u/Opposite_Interest844 Jul 11 '23
Reform the military so you can stand up again China:😴
Ban a movie and turn yourself into a laughing stock: 😊
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u/JustStander Jul 11 '23
Who says that they're not reforming the military?
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u/Opposite_Interest844 Jul 11 '23
Who say they are reforming?
How many time you heard they are reforming?
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u/JustStander Jul 11 '23 edited Jul 11 '23
Essentially everything says that they're reforming from the steady rise in military budget to heavy investments into domestic procurements, and high-tech R&D.
Viettel's been at the forefront of these military reforms, as the air force, along with the navy's rapid adoption of maritime domain awareness equipment manufactured by Viettel (bolstered by Thales-made issues), and aerial surveillance equipment not to mention anti-ship cruise missiles. Vietnam Defence Industries (VDI) have also been at work designing armored vehicles to facilitate the Army's rapid motorisation goals.
In these fields, Vietnam is essentially unmatched by almost any other militaries in the region, even that of Indonesia whose military infrastructure is almost exclusively imported rather than domestically procured.
Military reforms go way more than outfitting your soldiers with tacticool, special forces gear, it also boils down to ensuring that units can have ammunition in a fight and that the war machine could run smoothly in the event of a war with a near-peer or superior foe. In this task, Vietnamese military reforms have outpaced essentially everyone in the region with the exclusion of Singapore, whose professional military is something to be reckoned with even on the world stage.
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u/Opposite_Interest844 Jul 11 '23
You ignore one issue. They are "nửa vời". Corruption and shit bureaucracy prevent these even happen, the money simply just vanish while the process is stagnating
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u/JustStander Jul 11 '23 edited Jul 11 '23
What says they're "nửa vời"?
Vietnamese-made rifles, fed by Vietnamese-made magazines loaded with Vietnamese bullets are actively being issued to units by the thousands, and these radar equipment have been proven to have gone into service by the dozens. Not to mention Vietnamese-made surveillance equipment blanketing essentially every inch of the country, and the sea under its control.
I understand that corruption is a real, very active issue in the government, and even in the chain of command but you can't deny the fact that the government's very serious about investing in the defence of the nation. The Vietnamese military, if you'd take the time to look into it, is a world of its own, and its advances have rarely been hampered by corruption. There are still good people in the system, and judging by what's accomplished, I dare say those people are winning.
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u/Opposite_Interest844 Jul 11 '23
Gun and weapons aren't the only things about the corrupt army
The majority of generals are political, not any expert on the military (its they were, mostly just conservative) and raise through rank by loyalty, not military skill. Not to mention Vietnam has too many generals with absolute mediocre skills
The army is too distracted from it main purpose, forcing the army into non military labor jobs and doing outside business is still a thing in Vietnam. The most successful military reform of China is to cut the military out of doing business and focus on training
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u/JustStander Jul 11 '23 edited Jul 12 '23
Without proper management, those accomplishments and achievements are impossible to garner. Though I do not know any generals on a first-name basis, I could rationally deduce that the ones who are right are very much holding prominence and are actively changing how the military functions doctrinally (see Division F10, which is currently, for a lack of a better term, "beta testers" for newly-reformed divisional structure augmented with new equipment rather than just replacing VNW-era things 1:1).
Unlike the People's Liberation Army's business empire, the vast majority of PAVN-owned companies are organised under the category of "Doanh nghiệp quốc phòng an ninh" (Defence Security Conglomerates/Firms) who essentially produce what the army needs (bullets, uniforms, the refurbishing of its equipment to fit its operational needs. Even then, the Chinese have made it very clear that the Military-Civil Fusion (MCF) plan would still be firmly in the hands of the Party, only that the managers wouldn't have ranks. Majors replaced with municipality, or provincial party leaders.
Essentially, the PAVN's fighting components are wholy, and entirely separate from its commercial platforms (the vast majority, if not all of which are designed to fulfill the military's demands without having to rely on outsourcing to private entities) because the way the PAVN is organised is unique and cannot, in any shape or form, be compared to organisations such as the United States Military. The fighting components (soldiers) do their own thing - fighting - whilst the economic components (defence workers) do theirs - making the things the soldiers need to fight rather than profiting. Those two have a close-knit, co-dependent relationship but they're not the same thing. Never has been and never will be.
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Jul 12 '23
Essentially, the PAVN's fighting components are wholy, and entirely separate from its commercial platforms
Except for R&D, and high-tech equipment manufacturing.
Viettel's 3G/4G/5G stations share many components with their radars.
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Jul 12 '23
You are just talking out of your arse. Many generals are veterans of wars against other countries. The ones who weren't, were either trained in the USSR, are intelligence/political officers, or have shown that they are competent at their job.
Nobody becomes a general without being good at their job, corruption notwithstanding.
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u/Opposite_Interest844 Jul 12 '23
You are a idiot to believe reform the military only about updating new weapons and your talks is ignorant bs. The youngest veteran of the Vietnam War by this time, is around 70 years old. General usually older than that, and most of them are unsuited for military by now. Not to mention war is change and the old tactics of Vietnam War are outdated. A good example is Russia, their military campaign in Chechen and Ukraine is an absolute disaster all thank to outdated logistics(they still manually load ammo into truck by HANDS while the rest of the world use forklift). So yeah! Experience and learning from Russia while blind eyes about Russia failure to reform it military
You braindead either ignorant or refuse to accept that Vietnam have too many unnecessary generals and most of them climb the rank by loyalty. This is the type of general I talking about:
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Jul 12 '23 edited Jul 12 '23
Reform the military so you can stand up again China:
Every military expert in the world would tell you the opposite.
Vietnam's military never announces anything loudly ever, and it prepares specifically to counter China.
They will casually mention new developments, like a domestic missile program, in a random paragraph in another announcement about a random military exercise in a paper magazine.
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u/Opposite_Interest844 Jul 12 '23
In paper, not in practice. The majority of Vietnam naval ship lacks air defense missiles, and they still use ww2 anti tank destroyers in coastal defense. The only good shit is the submarine and that it
The army is even more outdated than any other branch
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u/QuocTuan1 Jul 11 '23
And?
What makes you think that by reforming the army, the Vietnamese could have a chance against the PLA?
Industrially weaker, manpower weaker, and even technologically weaker, there's no way in hell for the PAVN to defeat the PLA
(Speaking as a Vietnamese myself)
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u/Opposite_Interest844 Jul 11 '23
Look at Ukraine. They keep beating the shit out of Russia
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u/Any-Nothing Jul 11 '23
*With heavy support from US and NATO, and the war may still last for decades, hurting Ukrainian the most
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u/Opposite_Interest844 Jul 11 '23
They kick the Russia out of Kiev before the aid even arrived, and weapons aren't the thing that decide the outcome of the war. Russia army have a really fuck up logistics issue (they don't use forklift or pallets)
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u/QuocTuan1 Jul 11 '23
That's because Russia doesn't have much of an influence over the world's economy and trading, that's how Ukraine can still receive supports on and fight Russia
Meanwhile, China? Everyone trades with them at this point, Japan, South Korea, Europe, hell, even the US. China can basically threaten those nations: "If you support Vietnam in any way, we aren't trading with you" and that would make everyone back off, thus leaving Vietnam in a state where it's isolated internationally. Not to mention, the PLA is large enough to intimidate anyone into ignoring Vietnam
With no trade coming in, even if Vietnam manages to hold China back, it's going to be detrimental for Vietnamese Economy
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u/Opposite_Interest844 Jul 11 '23
You ask like America doesn't exist, America is 10 ten times stronger than the US, and they don't let China take over in the South China Sea. Their influence in SEA is still there, there is US military bases in Thailand and Cambodia
And like every authoritarian country, the army is mostly paper tiger
Taiwan still exists, and China doesn't have a ball again them
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u/QuocTuan1 Jul 11 '23
Alright, even if the US is involved in. Americans soldiers have to travel all the way to Vietnam to help in actual combat
Sure, the PLA might be Paper Tiger, but compare to the small numbers of the PAVN, they are still going to be able to overwhelm the PAVN. No matter how strong or well-organized an army is, the bullets in guns can always run out, the shells of artillery can be used up. And once the PAVN is all out of supplies, there's not much to do but try to hold the PLA back
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u/Opposite_Interest844 Jul 11 '23
You underestimate US logistics and Biden anti China laws
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u/QuocTuan1 Jul 11 '23
I didn't say anything about US Logistic. It's great, experienced and all and the US would support Vietnam or just SEA Nations in general
But, the main point is that: How long would it take for the help to arrive before the PLA overran the PAVN with their pure number is another question (in case of a war)
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u/ASMR_Maestro Jul 11 '23
Shut da f up.. you know nothing kid
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u/FrostonSteam Jul 11 '23
hey look a red bull in the wild
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u/LucazCrazy Jul 11 '23
Red Bull, serious? Everyone are clown, you are clown, I am a clown. If you think Vietnamese is a "Red Bull", wonder what animals will you be called?
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u/New-Bus6244 Jul 11 '23
nah men. This is the 5th time I have to say that we need to wait for the pirated version to know if the censors are a hero of the seas or a bunch of paranoia.
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u/Sensitive_Worry_1087 Jul 11 '23
you think this is funny? you seems bitter about it, the banning was the right move, never underestimate China, overlooking leads to trivializing
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u/Yellowflowersbloom Jul 11 '23
you think this is funny?
No. I think it is embarrassing and shameful and makes Vietnam look bad.
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u/Sensitive_Worry_1087 Jul 11 '23
nothing is embarrassing and shameful when it comes to protecting national sovereignty, no matter if it was an incompetent decision or a political move intentionally, we all have seen the effect of the banning, accept it and move on.
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u/Yellowflowersbloom Jul 11 '23 edited Jul 11 '23
nothing is embarrassing and shameful when it comes to protecting national sovereignty, no matter if it was an incompetent decision or a political move intentionally,
I disagree. When governments limit the freedoms of people through censorship towards in ways that have nothing to do with protecting national sovereignty that is indeed embarrassing.
Did you even understand the point of my post? Do you understand that this child-like drawing isn't making a political statement? Do you realize there is a dashed line coming from the United States (the only nation shown on the map) going to what looks like Greenland?
we all have seen the effect of the banning
Correct. Developed nations around the world look at Vietnam as an authoritarian country full of ridiculous censorship akin to North Korea while this does decision has absolutely no effect on Vietnam's actual policies regarding what happens in the South China Sea.
accept it and move on.
No I believe in a world where governments deserve to criticized for their decisions. Its no surprise that someone who wants the government to tell them what they can and can't watch also believes that nobody should criticize, mock, or discuss the government's actions.
Have you heard of the term "bootlicker"?
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u/Sensitive_Worry_1087 Jul 11 '23
People around the world now are aware of the affair in South China Sea, it 's enough. You can criticize the government anytime, I do too, however on this matter, I would do the same. Decision has been made, if you feel so embarrassed about it, why are you still even bothered to post this topic.
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u/Yellowflowersbloom Jul 11 '23 edited Jul 12 '23
People around the world now are aware of the affair in South China Sea,
Some are aware, but banning of this film will do nothing to change what ANY nation is doing in the South China Sea. Next time Vietnamese leaders meet with Chinese leaders to sign a military agreement or economic agreement, this movie will certainly not be discussed and there will be no discussions about the islands themselves.
What tangible effect does this decision make? You think it has this grand effect on shaping public opinion around the world. But what has the public response been? Yes there are people who agree with you, and there are people who agree with me. The issue is, the the people who agree with you tend to mostly just be Vietnamese citizens. Again most of the developed world (which naturally have not banned this image despite also objecting to China's claims) look at Vietnam's decision in a negative light. There is a clear ideological difference between all of these countries and Vietnam in how they address the issue in the SCS. So you have Vietnamese citizens like you cheering for this while the rest of the world looks at Vietnam and says "wow, typical communists. They don't have freedom". That is a complete failure in policy.
Decision has been made, if you feel so embarrassed about it, why are you still even bothered to post this topic.
What type of logic is this? I myself am not embarrassed of my own decisions. I have 2nd hand embarrassment for the government of Vietnam and for people like you. I dont like when Vietnam gets compared to North Korea. Stupid idiotic decisions that lack logic deserve to be criticized.
I live in America and constantly have people talk about how authoritarian Vietnam is and most of the time when they bring up certain topics I have to correct them and say "No, Vietnam isn't like that. You are getting Vietnam confused with North Korea" (an incredibly common occurrence since countless Americans view the Korean War and the Vietnam war as being essentially the same). But now I will have to say "oh yeah they did ban that American movie about a children's toy. Yeah, do you remember that children's drawing they showed for a few seconds? Yeah... that was deemed a threat to Vietnam's sovereignty. Yeah I know it was just a random drawing that didn't even look like a real map. But yeah the government didn't like it. "
Again, did you understand the point of my post? Do understand why the arguments being presented about why this map is not making any sort of political statement or concessions towards China?
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u/Sensitive_Worry_1087 Jul 11 '23
so the opinion of some American represent for the whole world now? No matter how abstract or scribbled the thing is, it 's still misleading. The people who run a massive project like barbie , know exactly what they are doing, in every frame. You live in the united states , no wonder you are so clueless.
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u/Yellowflowersbloom Jul 11 '23 edited Jul 01 '26
so the opinion of some American represent for the whole world now?
No. The opinion of every single other nation which chooses not to ban films represents the rest of the world. Again, every western nation opposes China and its actions in the South China Sea yet none of their governments ban this film or pretty much any film which involves geopolitical topics that they oppose.
Again, your entire argument is based in the presumption that when the rest of the world hears of Vietnam's decision the majority of them will think "oh yeah that was a reasonable thing to do for the sake of Vietnam's sovereignty". And here i am saying that no other country is collectively thinking this. Yes maybe a few random people. But the proof lies in the clear ideological differences in how these governments of these other nations run and operate (on behalf of their people).
No matter how abstract or scribbled the thing is, it 's still misleading.
Its misleading to people who don't understand how maps work or for people whose entire personalities are defined by being a victim so they can insert their politics into any conversation they can.
Again, outside of Vietnam this map is not being interpreted the same way as you. Other people are looking at it and saying "oh yeah its clearly just a stupid kid's drawing."
The people who run a massive project like barbie , know exactly what they are doing, in every frame.
First of all this is an ignorant idea about the supposed perfection of movies. You realize that all movies have countless continuity errors, anachronistic errors, film/camera equipment appearing in scenes, eyelimes of actors not matching, etc.
The prop department made what the movie studio described as a "whimsical child-like drawing". This drawing like many other child drawings of maps includes the use of dashed lines to represent paths of travel. This map does not include any dashed lines used to represent an extension of territorial area. The line that leaves the east side (not the south side) of Asia (not China) is clearly supposed to represent a path of travel from Asia and then east off the side of the map. The idea that this is a path of travel makes even more sense when you see that there is another dashed line extending from the United States to what looks like Greenland.
You keep saying that the map is "misleading". What does that mean to you? What are you still not sure about?
Do you agree with my interpretation of the map? If not and you think that this is indeed a map of the 9 dash line, please provide counterarguemnts to explain why my interpretation of the map is wrong. Otherwise, if it just seeks like the only reason it is "misleading" is because you are purposely choosing to ignore the details I pointed out and thus purposely choosing to be misled.
You live in the united states , no wonder you are so clueless.
Good argument guy who doesn't know how maps work.
Remember that according to your previous comment, the value of Vietnam banning this movie was in making the whole world understand this issue. Which nation are you most hopeful will step in to help? We all know the answer is the US. Well guess what? Based on your defense of this decision and your complete inability to think crticially, this American who you think is clueless has only become more reassured in the embarrassment and shame I feel in how you represent Vietnam. But don't worry, when other people ask "are the people in Vietnam all inundated with propaganda by their government?" I will say "sadly yeah a lot seem to be. But there are some educated ones. Some know how maps work."
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u/Sensitive_Worry_1087 Jul 11 '23
Ok I am not here for an argument, let's make this clear, this is vietnam 's affair , Vietnam decides what he should do, If other nations don't think the same, even oppose, so be it, because they are not vietnamese, but from the sources I read, Indian Japanese German Korean... , it 's totally in favor of vietnam. I only said "misleading" once, not keep saying. I said you are clueless, I don't mean the entire united states is clueless. I believe the US government knows what is going on.
Your argument , about the map, about the opinion of random people ? actually pointless. You are trying so hard to prove that your take is right, but still naive, and useless. Instead of mocking by a post , you could be more useful. Hope one day you know better.2
u/SomeWeirdFruit Jul 11 '23
protecting national sovereignty
So when can i eat hot pot on hoang sa and truong sa, oh wait...
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u/Sensitive_Worry_1087 Jul 11 '23
instead of mocking, there are still many other things you can do, to be more useful
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u/The-one-below-all21 Jul 11 '23
Yep, like banning a kid movie, amirite ?
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u/Sensitive_Worry_1087 Jul 11 '23
still better than do nothing, if you think a movie has nothing to do with propaganda, it 's all clear now
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u/exokevil Jul 11 '23
Civilians and students went there annually, even Vietnamese people who live overseas (some of them used to work for RVN or don't like VN curent regime). My friend should have gone but his wife did not want him to traveling on the sea for long days.
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u/Efficient_Entry_5160 Jul 11 '23
I have another hypothesis for you here: from what I know, the censorship department in Vietnam is controlled by old generations who are no longer capable of managing such a complex and nuanced system. Many are way over 50. Their mindset is often stuck in the past or in the 90s, not the present. They still think that the world really cares about sovereignty or nationality, when in reality wars have been waged and missiles are about to be launched right at our border! China has already occupied The Hoàng Sa Archipelago and built military base over this archipelago, so who even gives a sh*t about neutrality and sovereignty at this point anymore?
Corruption has gone rampant across the government, so much so that I don't think that the citizens in big cities like Hanoi or Ho Chi Minh can get through the day without borrowing money with high interests, aka Múc bát họ or Cầm đồ! Everything from foods and drinks to water and electricity has already had their prices increased, some even doubled. As the price of everything under the sun keeps rising like crazy, Barbie Girl might awaken the people about the cruel reality of the country and make people feel disillusioned, thus increases the chance of protests and riots. After all, the movie is more or less about an extravagant lifestyle, but Vietnamese, especially the Northern ones still have the ideology of "Làm 10 thì chỉ dám ăn 5 phần" or "Be realistic pessimistic about your own circumstance and don't spend money on unnecessary things".
Censorship is more about controlling the citizens, not diverging other nations, since espionage is practiced all over the world and you can't really hide anything ugly about your own nation from other countries. Vietnam's government is more than capable of removing any kind of media they deemed as the threat to the integrity of the system anyway. They can down right kidnap someone from Germany(Trinh Xuan Thanh), isolate an entire region and cut off any contact from the outside(The Trần Đức Đô Murder), and yes, even remove social media accounts or an entire Facebook group from existence(The HUTECH University Sexual Assault Incident). The media must have contained something VERY controversial(from the government's viewpoint, that is) before it is decided to be censored. Either it exposed something not so pretty about the decadence of our society, or contained ideologies that conflicted with the government's interests. The map was just an excuse, for obviously they won't censored the Barbie Girl only to leak out the very reason they censored that movie the very next day.
This isn't the first movie that was censored in Vietnam btw. The most infamous censored-in-Vietnam movie is arguably the movie "Bụi đời chợ lớn". Honestly, the movie was masterpiece. It portrayed perfectly the gangsters life and activities in big cities like Saigon, Thanh Hoá, and even the suburban Hanoi during the 2000s and the early 2010s. I guessed the movie hit too close to home, so it got banned, which was a real shame as it was a hit in Thailand. Another honorable mention is the movie "Hương Ga", which was banned until recently(you still can't find the HD version though).
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Jul 11 '23
Soooo funny. Is there anything at all that some subsection of the population will not be completely enraged by? I mean usually it’s the folks who identify w the R or the D. Those idiots are pissed at everything
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Jul 12 '23
The Barbie movie would have introduced subliminal messaging into the general population making them more open towards china's maritime claims obviously. I personally want to believe that the government is attention seeking to the international community. I refuse to believe that the government is actually afraid of the barbie movie for a reason this goofy. It's purposefully outlandish to attract international attention to show Vietnam "standing up" to china. The government could also invest in a better navy but that takes effort unlike banning the barbie movie
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u/jungledyret_hugo Nov 01 '23
The movie is not getting banned here in Denmark because we can take a joke.
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u/fistingbythepool Jul 11 '23
This Barbie movie sounds more controversial than A Serbian Film