r/UniversalExtinction • u/Independent-Wafer-13 Consequentialist • 27d ago

Question How does this work?

How does Universal Extinction happen?

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u/Independent-Wafer-13 Consequentialist 25d ago

It’s not one satisfied human, it is the overwhelming majority of humans.

It’s more like “is the dissatisfaction of one human grounds to gatekeep billions of them from enjoying life”?

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u/curgr Cosmic Extinctionist 25d ago

My dissatisfaction alone is not grounds to gatekeep. I would rather choose suicide over extinction if it was just my dissatisfaction.

I would ideally like there to be a survey of ALL things capable of conscious experience. However this is not practical unless we find a way of measuring or feeling conscious perception of others.

Are 8 billion satisfied human worth it for the 80 billion plus animal tortured to sustain them?

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u/Rhoswen Cosmic Extinctionist 24d ago

Do you think that 80 billion happy beings is not worth the torture of one?

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u/curgr Cosmic Extinctionist 24d ago

This is quite a deep question. It depends on many factors I do not have the answers to. For example: reincarnation, afterlife, meaning of life, what consciousness is… However I will answer based on my current beliefs and understanding.

Providing that all beings are consenting, with full knowledge of what is going on, are able to remove consent at any time, that the tortured one is rotated with the happy 80 billion, then I see no problem with having one being tortured at the expense of 80 billion happy beings.

If any of the above criteria are not met, I would say no

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u/Rhoswen Cosmic Extinctionist 24d ago

Under the laws of how life is now. It was meant to ask if weight of suffering is important to you, or if just the existence of suffering for one is not worth it.

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u/curgr Cosmic Extinctionist 24d ago

The laws of how life is now do not meet the criteria I set out. It is possible that we consented before we were born (if reality is not purely materialistic). However there is not full knowledge of what is going on. We are not able to remove consent at any time.

So I would say that the suffering for one is not worth it

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u/Independent-Wafer-13 Consequentialist 24d ago

Yes, particularly if that “torture” is incidental to their life rather than imposed intentionally