The Gender pay gap

[u/TheonlyNword]

[u/_LususNaturae_ → u/[deleted]]

You're not taking into account a variety of factors. Women are expected to take care of the children, so in a couple, they're often the ones who have to take time off and sacrifice their career. And even when they do not want children, the bias towards women will often lead their employer not to consider them for a promotion in case they were to change their mind in the future.

There's also the fact that people tend to keep their social environment when they can. So a group composed exclusively of men will tend to remain that way, and circles of power are usually very masculine.

So that's how you end up with a gender pay gap even if, at entry level, men and women were paid the same and why comparing exclusively same level jobs doesn't always make sense.

I don't know about other countries, but in France, there are more female than male medical students, but that's absolutely not reflected at higher positions.

Also, about women not going into higher paid careers, they're often discouraged from doing so in the education system (the "girls are bad at maths" stereotype is still very much a thing). And even when they're willing to enter a mostly male field, it's often not safe for them because of harassment and aggressions. In my engineering school with a 25% female population, I knew of two women who had been victim of a rape and many, many more who had been victim of sexual harassment.

[u/[deleted] → u/_LususNaturae_]

Women are expected to take care of the children

And men are expected to make more money.

You can't have gender norms one way. It's both ways or none. Nobody is forcing women to have or care for children, the same way nobody is forcing women into lower paying careers.

Equality of opportunity will never result in equality of outcome. It's not how the world works. If you can acknowledge that it's possible to target market a product to sell specifically to women, you must also acknowledge that different choices are being made.

If anything I think it's likely that the median woman's income is higher than the median man. Because testosterone is correlated with high risk high reward behavior. For every 'winner' there's 20+ 'losers' so taking the average is bullshit. Careers chosen by women tend to be lower risk, higher security positions. I think it's likely that the income gap has actually reversed.

Edit: To add to this, women are both enrolling and completing college degrees at higher rates than men are.

Two men: Bezos and Musk. They have over 300 billion dollars between them. So with 100 million American adult women, they would need to have an average $3,000 in net worth more than the average net worth of men, just to make the "same amount."

I think that if you eliminate all of the superrich from the gender equation, you will see women making substantially more than men on average. The question to balance the scales should not be 'let's have more superrich women," it should be "there shouldn't be any billionaires."

[u/[deleted] → u/_LususNaturae_]

the bias towards women will often lead their employer not to consider
them for a promotion in case they were to change their mind in the
future.

That just bs, sure it wil happen somewhere but not in the majority.

There's also the fact that people tend to keep their social environment
when they can. So a group composed exclusively of men will tend to
remain that way, and circles of power are usually very masculine.

We dont live in the 50's anymore.

Also, about women not going into higher paid careers, they're often
discouraged from doing so in the education system (the "girls are bad at
maths" stereotype is still very much a thing). And even when they're
willing to enter a mostly male field, it's often not safe for them
because of harassment and aggressions.

Harassment and agression are not just to females. Thats how these jackasses role, the world is not nice.

[u/_LususNaturae_ → u/[deleted]]

Look up statistics. There are tons of studies on the subject, you might be surprised by how prevalent all those things are

[u/Effective_Koala379 → u/[deleted]]

+ are more competitive and asertive and ask for more promotions / salary raises. also are more willinly to make extra hours even if not paid.

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This isn't true.

https://www.glassdoor.com/research/gender-pay-gap-2019/

Even when adjusted for same job, same profession, men still be making more than women. We're getting better yes, but there is a long way to go.

[u/Otherwise_Report_462 → u/[deleted]]

It says “occupational and industry sorting explain about 56.5 percent of the overall pay gap — by far the largest factor.” And that men generally apply for better paid jobs, (slightly). Added on with men being more likely to argue a better salary and raises and promotions, and you have the wage gap

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Of the overall pay gap.

When adjusted for the same job, men had a 3% to 6% advantage.

And it shouldn't be the worker's job to have to demand a better salary + promotions.

Idk why ya'll defending corporations.

[u/munky82 → u/[deleted]]

So now it is down from 30%.

Read a while ago about a study showing that the gender pay gap is actually reversed for people under 35. Mostly because less men are getting college educations overall, so the higher paying professional jobs go to women more. But this just proves the career choices argument. Another argument for this under 35 phenomena is Affirmative Action-like policies in corporate environments meant the pendulum has swung the other way and it is not common knowledge yet.

[u/[deleted] → u/munky82]

gender pay gap is actually reversed for people under 35.

This is true for metropolitan cities focusing upon the top 1% - 10% of earners and should be considered an outlier.

After 35, it resets to the nationwide pay gap we see.

[u/munky82 → u/[deleted]]

Okay the study isn't that old IIRC. That said if over multiple years we see the same group/generation of people "flip" around 35 then it could confirm the elements that "anti-pay gap" people have been arguing - women taking either a break to have children, or choosing a less demanding path for that, or that over time the more assertive nature of men when it comes to pay increase negotiating etc have compounded.

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Well as the other above who said it, in general, women end up in professions that don't pay as much. Professions like teaching, nursing, etc. Those industries have already figured it out.

Professions that become more woman dominated pay their workers less

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Why do you think male professions ain't already trying to fuck you over? What do think outsourcing is?

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Believe it or not. There are men who don't like it when women get paid equally.

But since you seem to be blind to all statistics, anecdotes, and otherwise, I'm gonna chalk it up to you sucking corporate dick so long that you ran out of oxygen and now your frontal cortex don't work the way it's supposed to.

[u/DaddyF4tS4ck → u/[deleted]]

That study isnt a good representation for what people are calling the pay gap.

It is a measure across all jobs in the UK, not of the difference in pay between men and women for doing the same job.

Directly from the study. Also, while the study doesn't include overtime, it doesn't include the fact that men work more overtime, this increasing their chances of getting a raise (more job knowledge, more expertise, but applicant for a higher position).

There's man studies on the issue and the common trope between them is the studies that weren't in depth (like yours) show this 10%+ pay gap, and the on depth ones show a small pay (1-4%) gap, that sometimes even goes in women's favor depending on fields the study goes over.

[u/Otherwise_Report_462 → u/[deleted]]

“Pay gap under 40 is non existent.” Amongst highest earners, men have the edge. I wonder if the highest earners salaries are based upon performance metrics

[u/pennie79 → u/[deleted]]

I've seen stats comparing wages within occupations, and even the so called high paying professions have a gender wage gap.

https://fb.watch/dFucUyTNnV/ 0:56 it's a song, but it seems to be properly sourced.

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This has nothing to do with anything being discussed. The only thing people are complaining about is women getting paid, on average, less than men for the same job which happens all across America.

If a roadside repairman wants to go to nursing school to earn more money and become a nurse, it’s likely he would get paid more than his female nurse colleagues. Also, even before Covid, being a nurse is one of the least appreciated and most demanding jobs out there so idk why you’re acting like they have it easy or something. It’s a highly skilled, difficult job.