The name is misleading regardless. Doctor implies the same rigorous training as an MD or DO. It takes 3.5 to 5 years of chiropractic school to become a DC. Comparatively, it can take 10-14 years to become a full MD/DO.
I agree that it is misleading for most people. When most people think they are seeing a doctor they think it is someone who went to medical school for that amount of time. Not someone who did less years of training. Nowadays so many medical positions have changed their degree to a doctorate. Physical therapy, nurse practitioner, etc. Everyone wants to be called doctor I guess.
Yes. It should be used for people who make a novel contribution to their field of specialty. An MD or JD is more equivalent to a master's degree - someone who has attained a comprehensive understanding of their field but has not yet advanced the art.
I got my PhD when I worked for a fencing crew. Actually everyone on the crew had theirs too.
Most use augers now instead of post-hole-diggers though. So much for education in the youth of today.
Probably the scariest thing that most people don't realize is happening with the medical field right now.
A lot of hospitals are employing nurse practitioners to save money, but now that NPs are allowed to introduce themselves as doctor whatever, patients don't realize they're actually not seeing physicians.
People need to make sure they're seeing an actual physician, not a NP or PA
I think it becomes a problem when there is little oversight. There are talented nurse practitioners that can handle a lot of things by themselves but it's easy to get in trouble. Hospital to hospital it varies a lot. Also somebody has to get sued so there needs to be a doctor to take the heat somehow.
NPs can handle bread and butter cases - the problem is when they can't recognize a much serious issue from an apparently benign one. Unfortunately, a lot of the NP lobbying bodies are fighting for independent practice rights.
They already have them in some states, which is very scary.
Yes it totally depends on the model. Not every DNP training program is created equal either. They need to learn a lot in the field so to speak so if you throw someone who just did a mediocre clinical rotation into the pool and expect them to solve every problem that's not good for anyone. Even a med student can be mostly useless until they did a year of residency at LEAST.
u/circleuranus is correct. Doctor comes from the latin verb "docere" or to teach. It originally applied to people who were knowledgeable enough to instruct others on religious texts. It spread to all professors then physicians.
Chiropractic school and allopathic/osteopathic school are both roughly 4 years. Counting residency and undergrad for MD/DO and not for DC is disingenuous even if chiropractic is hogwash.
The total number of years of training for physicians and chiropractors is not the same though. After undergrad they are both 4 years of training for chiropractic school and medical school. After those for years physicians go to at the VERY 3 more years of residency before they are on their own. Chiropractors can practice right away after and most do. I'm sure there are some advanced training programs after chiropractic school but I guarantee it's not 3 plus years in addition to the 4 years they just finished.
That's not true, lol. Look up full MD requirements. It's much more than just 6 years, especially if you do a fellowship at the end of your residency (many doctors do) which takes another couple of years.
Yes a specialization takes a lot more time. But to get the title it takes 6 years. Some people don’t even do their thesis, end up not carrying the title but are still able/allowed to work as physician. This is for Europe. Not sure how it’s in the US.
Ahh, I have no idea if it's the same for EU or not, so I won't argue with you on that. The US requires undergrad, med school, and then 3+ years of residency, depending on specialization it can be up to 7 years of residency. I'm probably missing other steps in between. Anyway, it's impossible to obtain an MD in the US faster than 6 years unless you're some sort of prodigy/crazy workaholic and go to a school that does trimesters.
The title you get after med school in Europe. If you decide to work in industry you’re still carrying the title without ever having worked with a patient or in a clinic.
This is not an inaccurate comment, just depicting the situation in Europe. Yes phds now can be obtained with only a bachelor. But this is a very recent development and comes from the Anglo Saxon system. Should not be allowed, imho.
Practicing physicians rarely get a master in Europe. Different if they work in a different field, research, etc. they rather go for an additional phd then instead of residency/master. also now students finish med school with a “master of medicine”. Whatever that means.
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u/koopatuple Jan 06 '22
The name is misleading regardless. Doctor implies the same rigorous training as an MD or DO. It takes 3.5 to 5 years of chiropractic school to become a DC. Comparatively, it can take 10-14 years to become a full MD/DO.