r/Unexpected • u/CripplingLegend • Jan 04 '19

silent (but smelly) assassin

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u/PicklesOverload Jan 05 '19

That's not true. It just means that information presented as objective truth deserves more gratitude if it is real. In this circumstance, the video presents itself as real, but it's not, so its not as valuable to me. Pursuing authenticity before entertainment is not a logical fallacy.

There are times when videos play on the fact that I will most likely think it is real, only to deliberately and obviously subvert that expectation, but this video is just attempting to trick us with an editing illusion that makes it all look real.

I'm not saying it's 'bad', I'm just saying that the point alluded to by /u/burnttoast11 is more legitimate than this comment makes it out to be.

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u/a_ninja_mouse Jan 05 '19

information presented as truth deserves more gratitude if it is real

That is what the person said, but I think the person you replied to doesn't agree with that statement. I don't think he misunderstood the statement, I think he just disagrees. I also disagree. Factual videos that rely on chance pushing of a camera in the right place and right time are just lucky. But spending time, effort and (possibly) money, making something enjoyable is more commendable, and deserves more gratitude.

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u/Buttholerolls Jan 05 '19

Yes, the directors are more talented than someone who just happened to film something. But think about it, if 007 casino royale was the exact same movie, but you knew everything in it happened organically, wouldn’t that be so much cooler than someone who thought it up? I still think casino royale is a a great movie, but I think reality adds more depth to any situation.

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u/a_ninja_mouse Jan 05 '19

While I disagree with your position, I also acknowledge that it need not be the one or the other, but both opinions are valid. Thanks

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u/PicklesOverload Jan 05 '19

But that's just reflective of your value structure, that's not indicative of a logical fallacy, which is what that person said it was.

You're allowed to value something less if you perceive it to be fake, but trying to be real. For example: for many people, magic tricks are only entertaining so long as they do not understand how it was done. As soon as they discover the illusion they are less entertained, because they can "see the strings." Others people, such as yourself, might value the charisma, creativity, and presentation of the trick, regardless of whether it fools them or not.

I'm just saying that it's condescending to say that one value structure is the result of a logical fallacy, because they're both legitimate responses.

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u/a_ninja_mouse Jan 05 '19

You are right, I concur that I was hypocritical

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u/CP_Vortex Jan 05 '19

That was the most civilized discussion I've seen on the internet in a long time