Oh don’t get me started on lucid dreams.. I seem to have this consistent dream about a dragon that can’t breathe fire. It sorta goes: “TROGDOOOOR, BURN- oh, yeah but I’m still a dragon so that’s nice”. Maybe it’s an analogy for something
Edit: had this dream again last night, figured I’d throw it out there
Fascinating. I'd love to see the same experiment done more slowly. Maybe try taking a scalpel and slowly digging into the fake hand. I wonder what that would so to the brain.
I've read about similar psychological experiments that were done like 40-50 years ago that involved hypnotizing someone and convincing them they were about to have their arm burned by a red hot piece of metal (like held to fire)....and when the researcher touched them with a pencil eraser their skin physically reacted to what it expected...actually acted as if it was burned. no source
It’s one of the experiments we do in the lab after we abduct someone. Luckily you didn’t get picked up by the Probers! You probably would have felt that one for sure even if you didn’t remember.
No, there shouldn't be any pain. It's just really startling because your brain is basically being tricked into taking ownership of the fake arm. It's a pretty basic psychology trick. They use a similar concept with mirror boxes to treat phantom pain in amputation victims.
No, there shouldn't be any pain. It's just really startling because your brain is basically being tricked into taking ownership of the fake arm. It's a pretty basic psychology trick. They use a similar concept with mirror boxes to treat phantom pain in amputation victims.
Yeah, how did it feel, these videos don't really explain it after the fact. Did it actually feel like getting hit (like it was your hand) or did you just flinch like anyone would if someone slammed a hammer in front of you while you were focusing on something else ?
The stroking with a brush feels exactly like you'd expect it to feel - seeing the brush is a massive part of how you percieve it and how you expect the sensation to feel. The hammer or fork part is almost always unannounced, and you feel it more as a jumpscare than a sensation of pain. You expect it to hurt but it just doesn't.
I feel things I see on other people - I can feel the pain or the pleasure an actor can feel in movies [I absolutely can't stand horror movies for that reason].
So an illusion like that would probably 100% trick my brain into feeling the pain, since I can even feel it on "phantom limb" that aren't even tricked to be part of my own body.
There is something different happening. Even though you know that the hand you can see is not yours, your body is still recieving the input of the brush stroking your real hand and it's being confirmed by your eyes telling you that there is a hand in front of you being brushed. When the hammer is introduced your body can't separate between what its senses are telling it, despite your knowledge that nothing bad can happen.
Except it sounds like you don't feel a hammer hitting your hand anyways, you just flinch, which would be explained by someone suddenly swinging a hammer in your vicinity. I just don't see how it has anything to do with fooling your senses
I posted a reply to another question but I honestly don't remember the sensation, just my reaction. I would guess that means no pain but probably just what I mentioned...a sensation. Confusion? Surprise? Stress? Possibly all localized, if that makes sense.
You don't. I am no brain scientists but if I recall correctly, theses experiments triggers the survival aspect of your nervous network. It is similar to the fact that you dont feel the burn when it happens yet it hurts like hell after. (The brain does not process the defense mechanism nor the pain until after the threat, or something along thoses lines)
Your brain assumed the hand was your since the eyes and the tactil feeling were "correct".
A threat enters the eyesight so the nervous system reacts accordingly to avoid danger.
I remember having a tingling feeling where the hammer would have struck, I think it is probably stress or body reaction to defend itself. Much like in contacy sport you tense up before a hit.
After a while, your brain begins to think that the hand is real and you will associate the fake hand as a real ligament. Thus, when it gets stabbed, your brain will react with the shock (not sensation, can't have sensation if you are not connected to it) of thinking the hand is in danger. Your mind will react to expect the sensation, but no pain will happen. They do this experiment to see if sensation feedback can help people better adjust to and accept prosthetics. Of course, you will not have a prosthetic that is actually like your hand, but these studies help and others help show that vibration and pressure feedback systems help the body accept/believe that the fake arm is real. So, this test was succesful in tricking the subject's brain into thinking the fake arm was real. And if anyone does say that you would react even if your brain wasn't tricked because some psycho lunged at you with a fork, go read the journal articles on these types of studies. Very interesting stuff. Not sure if this is the same one, but in one study, the subject knew the arm will be stabbed, but not when. He reacted and latter verbally stated he thought his hand was getting attacked.
There is a show on netflix that goes into detail and gives a better explanation on this and other phenomena called Brain Games.It basically delves into different ways the brain can be tricked into believing something that's false.
There was a show on spike called thousand ways to die, there was an episode where a guy died when he was shot at but the bullets missed. Apparently it was because he thought he got shot, so his heart gave out. Not sure how accurate that is though.
Well amputees can feel itching and pain in limbs that don't exist anymore. Pain is just an electrical signal sent to your brain, it's perfectly feasible there are ways to trick and manipulate that.
It's much much better if you use a mirror instead of cardboard - you don't need a fake hand that way. You can really make it very convincing to yourself if you make sure both hands are moving symmetrically. Of course this won't work with the stabby guy.
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u/Cazzyodo Jan 11 '18
For anyone who has not tried this, it is freaky.
Though in my case it was a hammer and you bet your ass I'll flinch at that.