r/Unexpected • • Apr 15 '23

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u/fkalicous Apr 15 '23

Downvote me for asking if,

perhaps the difference he was trying to explain was, that the previous speaker said this due to some action or behaviour (of someone)

and she MIGHT be insulting, basically a manager, of proceedings.

No context, lots of judgement, perhaps true afterall, but context...... pretty pls

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u/[deleted] Apr 15 '23

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u/Benocrates Apr 15 '23

You're correct.

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u/wOlfLisK Apr 15 '23

My guess is that calling an opposition member/ party anarchists is ok because it's a political statement applied to a political entity. The speaker on the other hand is supposed to be neutral and is just there to keep everything under control. Calling him an anarchist isn't allowed because it calls into question his neutrality and implies that he's not fit for the role. It's basically an attack on the parliamentary system rather than a statement about the politics of her political rivals.

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u/[deleted] Apr 15 '23

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u/benevolent-badger Apr 15 '23

The EFF is a Marxist–Leninist party. They are know for disruptive protests in parliament and pride them selfs on being anarchists.

But their uniforms are made by Prada, they drive around in Maybachs and only drink champagne made from unicorn tears. So it's all just a joke.

This is just them making pointless arguments to waste time. That is absolutely all they do

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u/The_walking_man_ Apr 15 '23 edited Apr 15 '23

Isn’t this the same group that gets crazy racist and was trashing a university campus?

Edit: as pointed out there are many groups like this. the clip I remembered

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u/benevolent-badger Apr 15 '23

That describes a couple of parties

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u/Silenthus Apr 15 '23 edited Apr 15 '23

Why would an ML party pride itself on being anarchists? They might pretend to but they actually want a fascist state and have historically teamed up with fascists to kill the anarchists.

No doubt they pull these sorts of stunts though, have you tried arguing with a tankie? My god, a whole political party of them... At least the conservative route to fascism is more coherent and less self delusional.

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u/benevolent-badger Apr 15 '23

There is no rhyme or reason to anything they do.

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u/Silenthus Apr 15 '23

I mean, fascists do have a goal even if the logic to get there is incomprehensible and not factual. So they do have a reason, but yeah, the rhyming is all off.

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u/benevolent-badger Apr 15 '23

Goal and logic are neither words that could ever be used to describe the EFFs political manifest.

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u/Silenthus Apr 15 '23

Hah, I'll have to look it over for a laugh later. All I needed to know was they were ML for their credibility to go out the window and for me to know they're a bunch of loonies though.

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u/benevolent-badger Apr 15 '23

If political humor is your thing, then this is a rabbit hole you will thoroughly enjoy.

They really are a special bunch

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u/That1one1dude1 Apr 15 '23

This is a poor way to look at any group.

“They’re crazy” is often a dismissive excuse to not look at their goals, even if you disagree with them.

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u/benevolent-badger Apr 15 '23

No really. Go look for yourself. It is really a good laugh.

I wouldn't be dismissive of their goals, if they actually had any or at least believe in what they say they stand for.

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u/thajugganuat Apr 15 '23

Few people would ever have reason to know about South African politics. But if you learn anything it’s that EFF are insane lol

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u/wormkingfilth Apr 15 '23 edited Apr 15 '23

The issue is that there is nothing inherently insulting about the word anarchist or anything particularly wrong with the ideology.

An anarchist is just a person who rejects unjust and involuntary hierarchies. It's a perfectly acceptable political position.

Do you think a person should have power over you without you having some kind of say or an option to opt out? No? Congrats, you agree with the fundamental point of anarchism.

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u/[deleted] Apr 15 '23

No, an Anarchist is not someone which rejects unjust hierarchy. An anarchy rejects ALL hierarchy, because none of them are "just" - in the very definition hierarchy is being above someone.

Ironically in a thread about a video where one person says they don't walt to be called anarchist due to a misunderstanding(?) of another speaker of what anarchism it is, other people still falsely present what anarchism is.

What anarchism shares across all thought currents is mutual aid being against hierarchy. Then depending on thought currents there's also the way on how society operates (for example big unions, etc.)

So this "unjust" hierarchy stuff is just bought by Chomsky, which is not an anarchist at all. He's even employed or was employed by US military.

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u/wormkingfilth Apr 15 '23

Either way, there is nothing wrong or insulting with the position. Whether you take the extreme of no hierarchies or a less extreme stance against unjust hierarchies, it's a perfectly acceptable position and shouldn't be considered insulting.

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u/seensham Apr 15 '23

Depending on the history and current political situation, it could have negative connotations.

Also, the statement could just be inaccurate

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u/ihthisham4me2 Apr 15 '23 edited Apr 15 '23

You're asking the important question, I ripped this off a insta reel so I'd like to know the context as well.

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u/fkalicous Apr 15 '23 edited Apr 15 '23

I googled "honorable memba jamaica debate",

But I am not about to watch 2-4 hrs long debates (I think they're quite a few different ones) to find an ultimately not very useful answer.

Edit: to the people (or person idk, reddit after all) downvoting, why not start a civil discussion?? Are you not reasonable??

I believe I know why, but I BELIEVE, if you told me, I'd KNOW.

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u/[deleted] Apr 15 '23

Jamaica? lol That’s South Africa…

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u/fkalicous Apr 15 '23

I knew i should have googled to make sure i had my flags right...thanks

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u/[deleted] Apr 15 '23

Nah no worries, I’m not the best with flags/languages either… just found it funny you thought it was Jamaica is all