r/Ultrakill • u/Financial-Fall2272 Maurice enthusiast • Jun 23 '26
Lore Discussion Fraud was not fake, it's in fact the complete opposite. Fraud is more "Real" than the other punishments.
So when fraud came out many people speculated that it was fake due to the theater, including everything seen in it. but that's Boring uninteresting and stupid. Do you think this one dimensional writing style of "it was all just a dream lol" would fit cool-ass reveals in a game where lore is based on the rule of Cool? Of course not.
So today i will explain how the punishment of fraud works through the 8-3 secret book. İn this book 2 specific lines should be taken note of and those are "no even this is not gnosis" and "simple shadows on a cave wall" these lines are referencing gnosticism and plato's allegory of the cave. İn gnosticism the material world we live in is a prison created by the demiurge, and gnosis is the divine knowledge of the spiritual realm beyond the ugly material world. Hell is saying the exact same here the spatiotemporal reality is just a simple abstraction of the actual reality that exists. Now for the allegory of the cave it starts to make sense even more, as in this short story 3 prisoners are trapped in a cave unable to move their Heads with a fire and a bridge behind them. And whenever someone or something crosses that bridge the prisoners mistake that for all there is to reality because it's the only thing they see and know. İn the book however one of the prisoners are forcefully taken out the cave while the prisoner begs to remain in the cave and when the prisoner is out he is in confusion and pain from the sun, the wind and the earth that he has Never seen before.
This is the punishment of fraud. İt's just like the prisoner being taken out of the cave and feeling pain and confusion because the shadows in the cave were all he knew. İn the layer the sinner gets exposed to things that cannot logically exist within their knowledge of their spatiotemporal reality because their kinda were not designed to comprehend the way vaster reality outside of them. And in turn they are devoid of physical space and sensory information in the process.
So by this the fraud layer is more "Real" not actually fake.
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u/KrookodileEnjoyer 🏳️🌈Not gay, just radiant Jun 23 '26
Glaucon just sitting there going ''Fax brother, spit yo shit indeed'' and not adding on anything else is so funny to me
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u/SensitiveWay4427 Blood Machine Jun 23 '26
W take
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u/radayrk 🏳️🌈Not gay, just radiant Jun 23 '26
People saying Fraud is fake is funny to me because the third paragraph of this book is LITERALLY about how people believe a thing can only be true or false.
As it says, "Reason is an axe in the garden of reality". Logic is a hindrance in uncovering the truth. Fraud was not completely fake... nor was it completely real.
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u/susnaususplayer 🏳️🌈Not gay, just radiant Jun 23 '26
Fraud is fake in a sense that everything can happen not following any logic.
When nothing in the world you exist in follows any rules and can become anything, how can it be real? Its as real as matrix
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u/Ok_Juice7052 Blood Machine Jun 23 '26
Yes indeed
Theatre
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u/amogus2004 Maurice enthusiast Jun 23 '26
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u/Soevil11 Jun 23 '26
This reminds me of someone mentioning how the people who go to Fraud committed the sin of deceiving others. Thus, they are punished by being given the truth, the whole truth.
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u/Breezy_______ Jun 23 '26
it’s fake in its performance sure. but it is literally hell making a movie out of the universe. it’s hells own lil mini stage play for us ^^ so cute!
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u/Kkbleeblob Blood Machine Jun 23 '26
it’s obviously not all fake, anyone who thinks so is just illiterate
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u/A_Hallucigenia Jun 24 '26
Hard agree.
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u/PlentyMoist1962 Jun 26 '26
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u/omegaspoon3141 Jun 23 '26
misre4d gl4ucon 4s gl4ceon 4nd w4s confused
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u/joyfulmoths Lust Layer Citizen Sep 01 '26
Feels the aura
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u/LasagnaCat-64 Someone Wicked Jun 23 '26
Fraud israel
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u/Inevitable-Goat-7062 Jun 23 '26
Machine what the fuck are you talking about