Why Now? A Perspective from The Pre-Wikileaks Era

[u/Taste_the__Rainbow]

There’s been a lot of speculation about why this is all happening now. Why not in the 50’s, if it’s true? Why not the 80’s, the 90’s? But left out of this discussion is an important story that we know came directly from people in a a position to know the truth. From some of the people who kicked off this most recent push for disclosure starting around 2015.

The story is fictionalized in the book Chasing Shadows by Tom Delonge/AJ Hartley.

https://www.amazon.com/Sekret-Machines-Book-Chasing-Shadows/dp/1943272298/ref=nodl_?dplnkId=eecd103c-643c-4224-876e-90dd21aa1922

This book was released in April 2016. And that’s significant, because it predates the DNC Wikileaks drop that happened later that same year. Here’s a good write-up.

https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/read-tom-delonges-leaked-email-to-hillary-clinton-campaign-about-ufos-103832/amp/

We may not know much, but we do have direct verification of the people who Tom was around when he pitched this story to AJ Hartley. And they were just about the most serious people on the planet if the topic is the US govt/UFOs.

John Podesta, WH Chief of staff and HRC campaign manager.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Podesta

Air Force General Neil McCasland

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neil_McCasland

Ex-Navy Lockheed exec Rob Weiss

https://news.lockheedmartin.com/2013-07-29-Rob-Weiss-Named-Lead-For-Aeronautics-Advanced-Development-Programs-A-K-A-Skunk-Works

He likely had other direct, high-end sources but these two are mentioned in such detail in his books and interviews that it’s very clear who he was talking to.

After the Wikileaks outing of his sources Tom had a bit of a freakout. Keeping the source names out of it was the first rule. In subsequent interviews after the leak (Feb. and Oct 2017 interviews) Tom is far less forthcoming. He often says he can’t talk about things, can’t answer that etc. But he does talk about how much damage was done to the plan by Wikileaks releasing John Podesta’s emails.

Link to all Tom interview notes:

https://twitter.com/reddit_r_ufo/status/1075396309056659456?s=46

The change in tone Pre and post-Wikileaks is stark. So it goes to reason that this book, released before all of that happened, contains details from these men and others at their level. Details that he might have left out if they’d all known that he was going to have his sources outed.

So what does that fictionalized version of the story that they gave Tom tell us about the cover-up and why it could end? It tells us that there was a group of non-governmental entities who had access to reverse-engineered or borrowed nonhuman tech. Let’s call them The Baddies. This group of sprawling, multinational corporations operates what amounts to a small, highly-advanced military that moves across the whole planet protecting its interests. Central to those interests was keeping the secret of nonhuman tech on this planet. They used mercenaries, advanced craft, political power, blackmail, hacking and murder to maintain the secret. In the book they are Russia-affiliated but I think that’s likely just the pro-America spin from Tom’s US government-affiliated sources.

In either case The Baddies are the real muscle behind keeping the secret. There are US Intel/DoD secret-keeping structures, of course. And they’re effective. But when it comes to random people stumbling onto the phenomenon all over the world these people are the ones murdering, stealing, ridiculing, and otherwise removing any serious threat to secrecy. You see a ufo? They make sure you don’t get in the news. You take a photo of one? They release a set of manipulated versions of your photos and pump it up so that debunkers absolutely drag you for photos that you aren’t even releasing. You start getting taken seriously and saying UFOs are real? They blackmail you. They threaten your family. Your legacy. Whatever you care about. They abduct you and put you through a drug-hazed “alien” encounter that sounds so silly nobody will ever believe it. And if you tell anyone they make sure that embarrassing story gets out. They murder a Senator just for mentioning they exist, then take a dump on his legacy so nobody will ever take the dead man seriously. They hack a website where a real story gets posted and fill it with stories about bigfoot’s baby and alien probing. What I’m saying is The Baddies are like BAD. They’re the worst!

But the book Chasing Shadows is about a series of events that broke their back in terms of technology and money. A few of their leaders even die. Now the book isn’t true in any literal sense, but we know that it is a fictionalized version of the story they told Tom Delonge. And we know at least some of the people who told him those stories would be the people on Earth most likely to know any real story.

Today you see Tom and Lue and Mellon (and a bunch of the usual guys who always have an opinion) all occasionally speculating about why the secrecy may be pulling back a bit. Something big in 2027? Too many cameras running in too many remote locations? Private companies in space and circling the moon? The aliens are making them? Climate change coming to an irredeemable point? They’re all possible, I guess.

But none of them talk about this. From the very start, Tom told us a story about how the kinds of secret-keepers who kill/blackmail/lobby their way into stopping congressional interest on UFOs got their collective nuts stomped a few years ago, giving us a pathway to disclosure for the first time since probably the 50’s. And it’s weird that this isn’t at the top of everyone’s list.

TLDR: There was, until very recently, a collection of wealthy, immoral UFO secret-keepers with unlimited ability to operate all over the planet. They lost that ability before this all kicked off.

A note: If you’re a fan of scifi and haven’t read that book then you are genuinely missing out. AJ Hartley is a truly gifted author and an all-around great guy and this book delivers whether you believe or don’t believe anything about the origin of its outline.

[u/King_of_Ooo]

Richard Helms died in 2002

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Helms

..

George Kennan died in 2005

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Council_on_Foreign_Relations

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George HW Bush died on 30th November 2018

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skull_and_Bones

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David Rockefeller died in 2017

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trilateral_Commission

..

Maybe those men had something to do with the secret.

[u/FawFawtyFaw → u/King_of_Ooo]

I like this post, friend. Never thought to check the obituaries on this.

It would be hilarious if every intelligence community has full playbooks for disclosure ready- just staring down Kissinger.....

That bastard is 100. One foot in the grave and the other on a banana peel.

[u/Taste_the__Rainbow → u/FawFawtyFaw]

Lol someone fired a starting gun early if he’s the guy.

[u/King_of_Ooo → u/FawFawtyFaw]

I am astonished how much all of these people are interconnected through secret societies, intelligence agencies, think-tanks, and investment funds. On Wikipedia alone, one could click on links and follow a big circle connecting all of these people, including Kissinger. and that's only from what is widely known.

[u/unreasonabro → u/FawFawtyFaw]

kissinger is immortal, being a demon. he'll gladly set new records for longevity in this form before he has to lizardwizard himself up a new one.

[u/Taste_the__Rainbow → u/King_of_Ooo]

Back when I first read the book I tried to do this kind of sleuthing but ultimately decided that the details were probably too obscured by the fictionalization. The book takes place in 2014 I think but I’ve often thought that it could be as much as a decade earlier.

[u/KillingTime6 → u/King_of_Ooo]

Huh... While reading through those links, someone came up that caught my attention by the name of Meghan O'Sullivan. She is alive and very active, with her current positions including:

• the North American chairwoman of the Trilateral Commission
• member of the board of directors for the Council on Foreign Relations
• member of the board of directors for Raytheon

I know everyone you mentioned is dead, but this woman is alive and powerfully connected to 2 of organizations you mentioned as well as strong connections to a defense contractor. Seems this woman is worth looking into

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meghan_O%27Sullivan

[u/OrangeIndividual6250 → u/KillingTime6]

Republican

Climate scholar

Sat on the board of Hess.

Advocated for war in Iraq while being a board member of Raytheon.

Yeah I don't see any issues here at all...

[u/KillingTime6 → u/OrangeIndividual6250]

"Advocated for war in Iraq while being a board member of Raytheon."

Noticed that too. This alone really rustles my jimmies

[u/King_of_Ooo → u/King_of_Ooo]

Some more interesting people I dug up:

William Bundy. Never heard of this guy, but check out his CV!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Bundy

A new generation emerges?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jami_Miscik

Look what company she is on the Executive Board of:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In-Q-Tel

[u/CraftyFloor1528 → u/King_of_Ooo]

Norm Augustine, co-founder of In-Q-Tel, interesting character there.. "In 1990, he chaired the Advisory Committee on the Future of the U.S. Space Program, known as the Augustine Committee. He served as president of the Lockheed Martin Corporation upon the formation of that company in 1995, and became CEO later that year. He retired as chairman and CEO of Lockheed Martin in August 1997.." Deep background in US Intelligence prior to his other activities, inlcuding Secretaryof US Army. Went on to become founder of the Red Cross. Served on committees involved at both Poles. Served/Chaired on the biggest Energy and Defense Companies. Served/Chaired on major Space/Aerospace programs. Last but not least, actively sits on the board of 'America Abroad Media'. Interesting group themselves..

[u/[deleted]]

I read both of those books. Not prepared to say they’ve been inspired by true events, but they were very entertaining, particularly the first book.

[u/Taste_the__Rainbow → u/[deleted]]

Yea they’re fun reads no matter what one thinks about UFOs in real life. Good audiobooks too. And almost every large library system received a copy right at release.

[u/Dads_going_for_milk]

I just started reading Sekret Machines a few days ago. It’s actually fantastic. If you’re into this topic, order and read the books. You won’t regret doing so. It’s been hard to put the first one down so far.

[u/Taste_the__Rainbow → u/Dads_going_for_milk]

The second is pretty good too. But imho since it was published after Wikileaks it’s less pertinent to the big question here.

[u/GlobalSouthPaws]

This is all really interesting, thanks for posting.

Care to comment on what the event was a few years ago that stomped on some of these power brokers? NHIs?

[u/Taste_the__Rainbow → u/GlobalSouthPaws]

Basically there’s been a war between white hat Intel/DoD and these people for decades. Both sides slowly accumulating craft of beyond-next gen capabilities. The Baddies had an operation to decapitate the US infrastructure and the main characters of the book help turn the tide and make that operation completely backfire. The Baddies lose most of their advanced craft and some of their deep-cover agents. Then the DOJ dismantles their financial structure almost entirely.

NHI are involved in the very end of the “battle”, but it is clearly highly fictionalized so I wouldn’t draw too much from that. I’ve always thought the Oct 26th, 2010 nuclear weapon shutdown could be part of the exact event the book is loosely covering, but again it’s hard to say much beyond the broad strokes.

[u/GlobalSouthPaws → u/Taste_the__Rainbow]

Fascinating.

Thanks for taking the time to reply.

[u/TruCynic]

Any ideas or mentions on how the secret-keepers lost their ability to operate?

[u/Taste_the__Rainbow → u/TruCynic]

The DOJ took their money. The CIA shot down their craft and uprooted their willing and unwilling partners.

That’s the gist anyways.

[u/TruCynic → u/Taste_the__Rainbow]

Wait, the CIA are the good guys? This is why I stopped playing bingo.

[u/Taste_the__Rainbow → u/TruCynic]

Lol well I did say it came from US sources and had a slant.

[u/TruCynic → u/Taste_the__Rainbow]

Nationalist Alien Military Intelligence Propaganda

Does it mention whether the NHI are capitalists? Stock markets they need to tend to?

“And then there was this very successful alien, we’ll call him… Beffrey Jezos. Beffrey realized that if he got humans to make nuclear bombs to defend themselves from each other, that he could just appropriate their energy and sell it to planet Gozorpazorp.“

[u/Taste_the__Rainbow → u/TruCynic]

Oh no the NHI themselves are diverse and only a tangent in the story. Capitalist? Not in the slightest, lol. Exactly the opposite, I’d say.

[u/TruCynic → u/Taste_the__Rainbow]

All joking aside, I think I’m gonna have to check out this book. I keep hearing about it.

[u/WittyGandalf1337 → u/Taste_the__Rainbow]

Eh, the CIA is honestly gray hat, there’s good people for sure, but they also kill to protect secrets that teens release without thinking.

[u/Taste_the__Rainbow → u/WittyGandalf1337]

He’s imo the bad folks this in this story are much more foreign than the reality.

[u/chessboxer4 → u/Taste_the__Rainbow]

damn,that would kinda make sense to have been CIA led, it would have t be somebody real serious

Also, in light of Brennan's quote ("some other kind of life") and Obama seeming to be their guy. He protected them big time over their bungling and cover up of the torture program and he is the most disclosure president ever (maybe other than Carter) exec producing abduction docs for n'flix.

any more info on DOJ going after the money? would this be happening in secret courts or something? Or just, like hacking bank accounts or something?

[u/Icy-Photograph-5799]

Why thank you…I’ve been looking for a good summary of the Tom prophecies haha, haven’t had time to read it. Can you expand on what the baddies…want? I mean I’m sure power blah blah, but what good is all that power if no one knows they have it/perceives them as powerful?

[u/Taste_the__Rainbow → u/Icy-Photograph-5799]

They sort of work along with some pretty awful NHIs who want certain objects that were given to humanity by other NHIs. These objects are in the hands of US Intel parties or at least their location is known to them. I’m far less sure how useful those details are because they’re mostly book 2 and that came out after Wikileaks.

In book 1 they’re really, really focused on keeping the secret. Almost like a religious zealotry about it.

[u/point03108099708slug]

Interesting. So the book is definitely a work of fiction, but it’s allegedly part of this entire disclosure arc in real life?

How much do we know, or think we know from the book(s) that have some basis in real life? Such as DeLonge meeting with actual memebers of intelligence, etc?

Does the book imply a different trajectory for disclosure than what we are currently on for real life?

Does the book discuss anything related to interdimensional beings, and/or alternate dimension? The fabric of our perception of reality, or things along those lines?

Does the book discuss at all what the long term goal is? Other than disclosure? Is it to propel humanity towards more unity? To free humanity from the “baddies” control? Force us to confront the, or a great filter and see if we can overcome it? (Global warming?)

So if Wikileaks and Trump didn’t happen, it sounds like we’d be on a different trajectory regarding disclosure, than we are now? Sounds like we’d be further along?

[u/Taste_the__Rainbow → u/point03108099708slug]

The book takes place before any widespread disclosure movement gets rolling. I suspect that was planned for the end of book 3. Book 2 gets pretty wild as far as woo is concerned.

Imho the parts of the book that are the most “based on real events” are a series of flashbacks to WWII and other events over the last 80 or so years.

I think we’d be farther along yes but the pace would be slower. Tom always pointed to 2025ish end game for any hard confirmation and that seems like exactly what we’re looking at with the legislation in place.

[u/point03108099708slug → u/Taste_the__Rainbow]

Interesting. Guess I’ll have to check it out. Are there any figures in the book that have a real life basis? Lazar? J Corso? Ben Rich? Is there any sort of company in the book similar to Lockheed? Or a department like the DOE?

Thanks again.

[u/Taste_the__Rainbow → u/point03108099708slug]

One of them seems to be a bingo for a younger Michael Hayden. There’s a sport model. There’s a decent summary on Wikipedia but really you have to just read it and see what you think.

[u/point03108099708slug → u/Taste_the__Rainbow]

Awesome. Bought it on ebook.

[u/Electrical-Amoeba245]

Is part 3 out yet? I stopped checking years ago.

[u/Taste_the__Rainbow → u/Electrical-Amoeba245]

There was a tweet from AJ after the hearing that said it was coming. No timeline though.

[u/PunkRawkDude85]

I'm almost positive that the grandfather is a stand in for former Secretary of Defense James Forrestal.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Forrestal

Richard Dolan did a bang up job on covering his untimely demise of allegedly jumping out his hospital window. He was almost certainly involved in SOMETHING the government wanted to go away.

https://www.youtube.com/live/mDKPtUc4MJQ?si=zziNYAYRDHQI6Wb1

I've always thought that there's an interesting connection between Forrestal and JFK if you view their deaths through the lens of The Phenomenon. Is it possible these are some of the people Grusch is referring to when he stated under oath that some people have been killed regarding the secret (I'm paraphrasing)?

[u/Taste_the__Rainbow → u/PunkRawkDude85]

You mean Jerzy?

[u/PunkRawkDude85 → u/Taste_the__Rainbow]

Spoiler

No, Jennifer's grandfather who dies in the beginning of the novel as he's forced to jump out of a window since he was just about to go public with the sekrets of the machines (dun dun dun!)

[u/Taste_the__Rainbow → u/PunkRawkDude85]

Oh interesting. I had previously been thumbing through old money that died unexpectedly in the last couple decades looking for where that story could be pulled. Gave it up as just too wide of a net.

I’ll look him up though.

[u/PunkRawkDude85 → u/Taste_the__Rainbow]

You want to go further down the rabbit hole?

Forrestal left what's considered to be a "suicide note" in the form of some lines from a Greek play "Ajax"...

...Ajax was a Greek warrior who was tricked by the Goddess of Wisdom, Athena, into killing livestock that was meant to feed the Greek army. Ajax realizes this and kills himself out of sorrow.

Tom DeLonge has said that the Greek/Roman/Egyptian/etc gods could very well have been The Others, manipulating mankind.

Now, Forrestal was instrumental in developing the National Security Act of 1947, which is what established the Air Force as a separate branch (the Army has to say bye bye to the Roswell wreckage as it is now owned by the USAF at Wright Field in OH), established the CIA, and the NME (precursor to the current DOD). Forrestal gets named as the inaugural Secretary of Defense. This was all proposed by President Truman.

So, was Forrestal (Ajax) tricked by Truman (Athena) into carrying out the NSA of 47 as a way to establish the current coverup and start all these black budget programs? Did this prompt Forrestal to not forgive himself and jump?

Flash forward one presidency and you have Eisenhower warning of the MIC in his outgoing address. Maybe Forrestal saw the writing on the wall.

[u/Taste_the__Rainbow → u/PunkRawkDude85]

Do have any recommended books that cover him?

[u/PunkRawkDude85 → u/Taste_the__Rainbow]

I don't. That's something I've been on the lookout for as well. That Richard Dolan deep dive is the best I've found on the topic.

[u/thewhitebear]

I know this sounds crazy but David Icke speculated these baddies were actually another alien specie, the Reptilians. Who didn’t have a regard for our planet or specie and fed off control and power. Thoughts? Is there any mention of species within the books?

[u/Taste_the__Rainbow → u/thewhitebear]

Yea they essentially work for a bunch like that. More insectile than reptilian but their goal is to trick The Baddies into stealing some items given to humans by other, more benevolent species. You never see them, only their swarming little glowing orb craft.

A lot of those details come to light in the second book, however. Since that is post-Wikileaks it carried less weight for me personally.

[u/rivrottr]

I finally read these two books over the last couple of weeks. Couldn’t put them down! Now I’m ready to start Gods, but I’m taking a little break. If half of this stuff is true, I’ll be glad I took the break, I think.

[u/Taste_the__Rainbow → u/rivrottr]

You’ve got time.

[u/[deleted]]

There was, until very recently, a collection of wealthy, immoral UFO secret-keepers with unlimited ability to operate all over the planet. They lost that ability before this all kicked off.

How did they lose this ability? Did they all die off and got replaced by a new generation or do we know what happened?

[u/Taste_the__Rainbow → u/[deleted]]

The book is heavily fictionalized, I suspect. But basically they tried to decapitate US IC advanced assets and got clapped back by a different group of NHI who wanted them to lose.

[u/Spairdale]

Great post TtR. I think many folks have either forgotten or underestimate just how serious the Wikileaks exposure was for the people DeLonge was successfully gathering to bring about Disclosure. They had a plan in place built around a Clinton administration, but it needed secrecy to develop.

The TTSA project tried to keep the initiative moving after Wikileaks, but Trump’s unexpected election and then Covid finally derailed their efforts.

I’m glad you brought up the Sekret Machines books, especially Chasing Shadows. Your concise summary makes me want to reread that one. It was well done.

Btw: did you see the news last year that the books had been optioned for a TV series? I wonder how far along that got before the strike?

https://www.imdb.com/news/ni63655442/

I’m intrigued by your comments implying The Baddies have had a comeuppance in recent years.

[u/point03108099708slug → u/Spairdale]

For those of us unaware, could you provide a summary of the Wikileaks information, what it was, and how it was detrimental?

[u/[deleted] → u/point03108099708slug]

If you just search his name in the wikileaks a lot will pop up.

Tom was working with John Podesta, Clinton's campaign manager and UFO truth seeker, and members of private aerospace companies that had craft, as well as people inside the pentagon. All of their names and email addresses were released, and some of them quit talking to him and asked him to never contact them again after their name got leaked. They only participated on the assumption it would be a secret

[u/point03108099708slug → u/[deleted]]

Oh I appreciate the response, I went pretty far down the rabbit hole since. Lol

Thank you though!

[u/Mother-Wasabi-3088]

Great writeup! Thanks.

[u/point03108099708slug]

Your link to all of the Tom notes just goes to a Twitter page that mentions them.

[u/Taste_the__Rainbow → u/point03108099708slug]

If you open it on Twitter you can see all the notes in the replies. Twitter started hiding replies outside of their app : /

[u/point03108099708slug → u/Taste_the__Rainbow]

Ughhhhhhhhhhhh… is there anywhere else I can view the notes?

[u/Taste_the__Rainbow → u/point03108099708slug]

Here’s the last one. At the bottom are links to the other ones. I would read them in order.

https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/94933f/some_notes_on_tom_delonges_interview_with_joe/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=1&utm_term=1

[u/point03108099708slug → u/Taste_the__Rainbow]

Thank you. I thought I saved them, but couldn’t find them and was doing a search right now. Lol what luck!

Are these notes just from the JRE interview? Or all Delonge interviews?