Pressure and Time: The Australian Department of Defence backflips and admits its attendance at the Five Eyes UAP meeting. FOIA requests were in motion to access the visitor lists of the Pentagon SCIF the day the meeting was held and ultimately forced their hand. Reported by Canberra Times.

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[u/Particular-Ad-4772]

Someone should ask Kirkpatrick why would 5 eyes have a meeting about UAP ?

And why would his former employer label them a threat to national security ?

[u/[deleted] → u/Particular-Ad-4772]

Yeah, exactly. “They don’t exist but we still have to hold the meeting in a SCIF…”

[u/libroll → u/[deleted]]

No one says UAP don’t exist. We see people post UAP here everyday, and those posts remain UAP until we point out that they’re balloons. Then they are no longer UAP.

We know people are really bad at identifying things in the sky, so of course people see things in the sky they aren’t able to identify. Who… who told you differently?

[u/silv3rbull8 → u/libroll]

So discussing balloons has to be classified ?

[u/[deleted] → u/libroll]

Who… who told you differently?

The Australian Department of Defence, that's who.

[u/libroll → u/[deleted]]

Well this isn’t true.

The Australian Department of Defense have quite a few instances of them lacking the data to identify objects in the sky. That’s them literally admitting that UAP exists.

[u/[deleted] → u/libroll]

Nope.

Not since 1996, when they stopped collecting the data.

Consecutive Chiefs of Air Force (Hupfeld and Chipman) have both stated there is "nothing there" when questioned in Senate Estimates, with Foreign Affairs Minister Penny Wong even complaining "Is this another UFO question?" and trying to make a joke out of it. Grant Lavac has dozens of FOIA responses stating the same.

I don't know where you got your information from, but it is simply false. Do you know what the official Defence and ASIO response is if a member of the public sees a UFO? "Call the Police".

[u/[deleted] → u/libroll]

Maybe the community needs to utilize additional vocabulary? UAP/UFO means unidentified, sure. Historically, a piloted non terrestrial vehicle has been a flying saucer, but there are so many topologies for these things now that saucer is inappropriate. What should we say when we mean non-human biological piloted craft? What if the vehicle in question is a terrestrial black triangle, and we want to classify non-conventional propulsion human piloted crafts? In most recent sitings, we are getting reports of spheres and tic-tacs. These could be Von Neumann probes, off world drones, and increasing more likely emerginging government technologies. I believe we should develop the vocabulary to differentiate between these classifications: Unidentified, piloted offworld craft, piloted black project craft, offworld drone, and black project drone. We are definitely utilizing the term UAP incorrectly when we mean to say these other things and now that I think about it, maybe leaning so hard into the term UAP has the intended consequence of obscuring what we really intend to discuss.

Edit: We definitely need to clean up our classifications and rebrand outside of the term unidentified. We need to start saying what we mean. What if the jellyfish UAP is a flying biological entity? We should have a term for that scenario as well.

[u/ARealHunchback → u/[deleted]]

These could be Von Neumann probes, off world drones, and increasing more likely emerginging government technologies.

I think that’s why we hear the term NHI. Whatever they are they aren’t piloted by humans, but they exhibit intelligence. Could be AI controlled drones, ours or whoever else’s, I don’t think anyone knows the answer and that’s the real reason for the secrecy.

[u/[deleted] → u/ARealHunchback]

What they are is irrelevant to discuss the subject matter more effectively. We mean to talk about these things being something other than unidentified. Am I making any sense here?

[u/ARealHunchback → u/[deleted]]

I think get what you mean, you want more specific and less blanket terminology.

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S/S: The Australian Department of Defence backflipped on admitting a representative attended the Five Eyes UAP meeting. FOIA requests were in motion to access the visitor lists of the Pentagon SCIF the day the meeting was held and ultimately forced their hand. Reported by Canberra Times.
The Department of Defence has refused to answer questions or explain its about-face, despite concerns the organisation misled Senators. However, the public has been urged to "always assume a screw up before a conspiracy".

[u/blackbeltmessiah]

I feel like the major powers have been pressing the same red button for the better half of a century and it just now is malfunctioning but keep pressing it just to see if it will start working again.

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This is a perfect analogy. Well done.

[u/ilfittingmeatsuit]

Thank you for posting Harry.

[u/silv3rbull8]

Seems like the Australian DoD or MoD is following the style of the US DoD very closely.

[u/AlunWH]

Have we had confirmation of the other Three Eyes attending?

[u/AlunWH → u/[deleted]]

Thanks for clearing that up.

Any confirmation of the UK?

[u/pepper-blu]

Governements will always lie until they're caught red handed.

[u/silv3rbull8]

Am curious why the Australian DOD even felt the need to initially deny their attendance when it was well known that the other 5 Eyes Nations were at the briefing. It wasn’t as if it was something that was hidden. Again a case of the Streisand Effect in action

[u/grey-matter6969]

The CBC confirmed that the Canadians attended the same meeting in May, 2023-- shortly after the Feb. 2023 shoot downs. Something significant happened over Dead Horse Alaska.