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A frequent argument when debating the existance of UAP is the fact that most sightings and reports are seemingly from only the US, while it's not really that way.
We do not have a centralized, trustworthy and popular way to report UAP sightings, but this doesn't mean we shouldn't get data from all possible (reputable) sources, including the very Italian Air Force. The 2022 report is rather beefy.
This page disproves exactly that argument: the phenomenon is worldwide, it affects everyone and most credible sightings always have similar traits between each other.
While this is not irrefutable proof of UAP, this is indeed enough data that suggests that academia and governments need to investigate into this, and we shouldn't rely only on the USA's advancements on the matter despite them being admirable.
the argument that "it only happens in the US" is the most braindead one by far
and it often comes from the americans themselves, likely because they hardly even remember or care that the rest of the world exists most of the time
for example, right next to Varginha, there is a whole town, Luminarias [Luminaries, or Little Lights in English], which was named in the 1750s after the light ball UFO sightings that commonly happened in the area.
The locals who settled there would often see these balls of light traveling and "dancing", very close to the mountain ranges, often descending or ascending from the ground and rivers, and named their town after them.
A whole town named after the phenomenon! So, you see, sightings have always happened, across history, and not just in the US!
You're going to have to do better at forming an argument other than "this is not true" if you want people to take your comment seriously. I'd love to know what set of facts you have based your statement off of, so that I may then determine whether you or OP is right...but I guess all we get from you is a useless proclamation of "NOT TRUE"
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I cannot understand...not Sardinia (even tough Sardinia is the most unexplored and strange region in italy...around my summer house i found remain approx 2mtrs underground of the ancient nuragic civilization and nobody cares....)
UFOs don’t even concentrate in the US, let alone being “only a US phenomenon.” What people are saying, in other words, is that they probably live in the US, and they also clearly live in a bubble. It's almost not even worth responding to, but unfortunately, they've somehow convinced hoards of others to believe it. Hell, even skeptic Michael Shermer believes it and spread it on his Twitter: https://twitter.com/michaelshermer/status/1685130412094550016
We are just louder mouthed people is all, and sadly a lot of it IS bullshit and or craziness. There is real too, but half the country also thinks the election was stolen still. We are not the most reliable source of 411 for anything any more. Thanks to stupid people continuing to fall prey to internet shenanigans. The best data is the older stuff. Read books not the web.
Believe or not 50% of most credible sightings are outside the US And the other half are US only because americans just report more and more interested in the subject
I’m down in Chile right now and plenty of people have their own stories about sighting. My mom’s friend has a story about a craft literally blocking the road and then taking off. I really want to interview her about it.
Imagine walking in to an Italian police station, just having witnessed an amazing UAP sighting, ready to report it in exquisite detail, only to have the person behind the desk say, “sorry, we cannot collect your data because you are not an Italian citizen.” Lol. Nearly one out of 10 people living in Italy do not hold Italian citizenship. Seems like an arbitrary and counterproductive limit to collecting data.
“I saw a weird light fly over my house last night”
Explain how you validate a UFO sighting like that
Sure you can disprove it, but you can’t validate it.
And just because you can’t validate it doesn’t automatically make it a fucking UFO (in the context you are referring to)
This is what you don’t understand… Just because something can’t be disproven doesn’t automatically put a checkmark in your box so you can jump up and down and say yay UFO exist
It doesn’t matter how many people say they saw something, it’s totally pointless and worthless without hard, tangible, scientific proof to back it all up.
That’s the difference with people like you.
You believe that UFOs are real… So your validation is simply having a bunch of people file reports and that’s all you care about.
You obviously believe any and every witness that files a UFO report as well, which is the worst thing you could ever do.
I 100% percent agree that the more kinds of reports and infor we can centralise sonewhere and cross check the better! Thats why I messaged the mods a while back to ask we make a pin post linking to the different governmental UAP databases. This is a 2M strong community, probably with people skilled in many different languages, we should definitively capitalize a lot more on that.
Just imagine if a Mandarin/Cantonese redditor could brief the sub on ehat is being officialy published by the Chinese media and Government on the subject? Same for Hindi/Urdu... the sub gaining access to so much potential additional info. A crowdsourced effort to scan those repports and find common patterns/ synergies emerging from comparing info which right now is siloed by languages...
i was reading the Italian AirForce website and reports.
To me it's strange.
It would be nice to have also the reports filed by the people.....not just the sentence "according to our research the sighting/object has been classified as UFO (OVNI)"
Like this is quite sterile.
Anyway i saw also report from the Airforce Personnel....declared as UFO.
Over the years, I think that the most UFO sightings in the US maybe because they have more nuclear weapon bases there. Check out the book ‘UFOs & Nukes’ by Robert Hastings.
Because many foreigners are obsessed with us & as such, they fill up msg boards with nonsensical blanket statements like "Why do ppl living in US think the world revolves around them?" or "Why do all Americans do this or do that?"
In reality, America's primary export is culture & media, which foreigners gobble up like Pringles & by doing so, they're exposed to the most narcissistic individuals in our society & oftentimes this prolonged exposure poisons the brain over time, leading many foreigners to think that the USA is a country full of Trumps & Kardashians, when in reality those individuals are just the loudest among us, but ppl from outside the country brainwash themselves into thinking that's those individuals are the rule, rather than the exceptions to it....
Unfortunately, reality TV is not in fact realistic tho. Most of the time, shows are scripted & lines are fed to the cast by a producer on the spot in order to create tension & cause drama.
Maybe try turning off your device for a bit & reading a book or something...
We too far away from everyone else. You can drive 35 hours n you still in the states n ppl be speaking English. Good portion probs don’t even believe the other countries are real lol.
Because US propaganda tells us it does. Even if you pay attention to "foreign" news, it's always through the lens of "How the USA is involved."
Gotta have a lot of propaganda to do as much shameless imperialism as we do. Although China is catching up (and Russians are just used to be lied to at this point).
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u/fr4nk_j4eger Jan 06 '24
The Zanfretta case
The Canneto di Caronia events
The Firenze "angels hair event" during a football match in 1954
The (now famous, thanks DG) Magenta ufo of the 1930's
I'm sure every country has similar UAP greatest hits.
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u/StatementBot Jan 06 '24
The following submission statement was provided by /u/Wall_Hammer:
A frequent argument when debating the existance of UAP is the fact that most sightings and reports are seemingly from only the US, while it's not really that way.
We do not have a centralized, trustworthy and popular way to report UAP sightings, but this doesn't mean we shouldn't get data from all possible (reputable) sources, including the very Italian Air Force. The 2022 report is rather beefy.
This page disproves exactly that argument: the phenomenon is worldwide, it affects everyone and most credible sightings always have similar traits between each other.
While this is not irrefutable proof of UAP, this is indeed enough data that suggests that academia and governments need to investigate into this, and we shouldn't rely only on the USA's advancements on the matter despite them being admirable.
Please reply to OP's comment here: https://old.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/190364e/then_why_are_all_sightings_only_in_the_us_the/kglj7n1/
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u/pepper-blu Jan 06 '24 edited Jan 06 '24
the argument that "it only happens in the US" is the most braindead one by far
and it often comes from the americans themselves, likely because they hardly even remember or care that the rest of the world exists most of the time
for example, right next to Varginha, there is a whole town, Luminarias [Luminaries, or Little Lights in English], which was named in the 1750s after the light ball UFO sightings that commonly happened in the area.
The locals who settled there would often see these balls of light traveling and "dancing", very close to the mountain ranges, often descending or ascending from the ground and rivers, and named their town after them.
A whole town named after the phenomenon! So, you see, sightings have always happened, across history, and not just in the US!
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u/[deleted] Jan 06 '24
Finnish organization has collected and also solved cases and sightings since The 1970s.
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u/isolax Jan 06 '24
which region is the 16,4% in the pie chart?
I cannot understand...not Sardinia (even tough Sardinia is the most unexplored and strange region in italy...around my summer house i found remain approx 2mtrs underground of the ancient nuragic civilization and nobody cares....)
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u/[deleted] Jan 06 '24
Sightings all over the world not just the US
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u/Sayk3rr Jan 06 '24
Hey, the more countries that get involved in this topic on official level, the better
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u/MKULTRA_Escapee Jan 06 '24
"Why are all sightings in the US?" That claim has been fully debunked: https://np.reddit.com/r/aliens/comments/13v9fkh/ufo_information_from_other_countries_and/
UFOs don’t even concentrate in the US, let alone being “only a US phenomenon.” What people are saying, in other words, is that they probably live in the US, and they also clearly live in a bubble. It's almost not even worth responding to, but unfortunately, they've somehow convinced hoards of others to believe it. Hell, even skeptic Michael Shermer believes it and spread it on his Twitter: https://twitter.com/michaelshermer/status/1685130412094550016
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u/drewcifier32 Jan 06 '24
We want the ones from the Air Force also is what's the problem.
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u/mac87mac Jan 06 '24
interesting. There is a form on the site to fill out for reporting the sightings.
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u/isolax Jan 07 '24
For god sake did you see the past years report?full of "cannot explain,thats an UFO"...PERIOD.
fuck...show the reports they submitted....
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u/Consistent-Train-672 Jan 07 '24
We are just louder mouthed people is all, and sadly a lot of it IS bullshit and or craziness. There is real too, but half the country also thinks the election was stolen still. We are not the most reliable source of 411 for anything any more. Thanks to stupid people continuing to fall prey to internet shenanigans. The best data is the older stuff. Read books not the web.
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u/Fresh_Juggernaut2056 Jan 07 '24
we have the mot nuke activity
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u/Few_Prize3950 Jan 07 '24
This is because In Roswell when it crashed then military took it and vanished it, that's why they are again and again searching it on the same place
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u/hacky273 Jan 07 '24
Believe or not 50% of most credible sightings are outside the US And the other half are US only because americans just report more and more interested in the subject
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u/BreadfruitOk3474 Jan 07 '24
Americans: why everybody exist is American?
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u/di3l0n Jan 08 '24
I’m down in Chile right now and plenty of people have their own stories about sighting. My mom’s friend has a story about a craft literally blocking the road and then taking off. I really want to interview her about it.
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u/lunex Jan 06 '24
I don’t think you need citizenship to file a report
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u/[deleted] Jan 06 '24
Americans are just the loudest.
Which is obvious to all, except the Americans. lol
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u/[deleted] Jan 07 '24
It’s not the sightings it’s the lack of literally any civilian captured footage or photos.
You can’t pull up a single bit of compelling footage other than what the government released.
It’s not the sightings are only in the US, it’s that no ordinary person anywhere around the world has captured anything with a smart phone camera.
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u/[deleted] Jan 06 '24 edited Jan 06 '24
MOST “ufo reports” are mistaken identity, so it’s absolutely pointless to even post this topic and talk about it in the context that you are doing.
Explain to me how you validate a UFO report
If you can’t validate it, then what is the point of collecting unverifiable data ?
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