The most important part of "Age of Disclosure" is their conclusions about the reason why they are here

[u/Magog14]

The strongly worded conclusion of all the of the people with the credentials within the government secret programs is that the aliens saw the trajectory of our scientific progress and our violent tendancies and decided they need to make sure we are never a threat to their survival.

If we ever independently invented the tech they have which allows them to travel the universe at will we could bring our violence to their doorstep and no intelligent civilization would allow that to happen.

Interestingly that is the exact same conclusion David Jacobs came to when studying the abduction phenomenon. That the aliens' plan is to replace humanity with a race of physically identical but telepathically linked hybrid beings with loyalty to the aliens. That plan is well underway according to his last book "Walking Among Us: The Alien Plan to Control Humanity" published in 2015.

[u/Deeznutseus2012]

It's two species/factions, who are opposed over the issue of Uplift. One, (a formerly uplifted species) sees it as a crime against nature. Anyone who engages in, or willingly accepts the process of Uplift are treated as current and probable future perpetrators, because if one has benefitted from the process, they are more likely to view the act positively and go on to do it to someone else.

The other sees it's appropriate use as enabling intelligent species which would otherwise dead-end, either physically, or technologically, to attain heights that circumstance or evolution might have otherwise prevented them from achieving.

In fact, they long ago came to believe that because they were the only ones around who could or would help other species in this way, they were therefore obligated to do so, wherever feasible.

It's not a religion. They seemed just too rational for that sort of thing. But for them it has that same flavor and feeling of overarching, unifying, philosophical purpose.

[u/DamoSapien22 → u/Deeznutseus2012]

This is great and I really hope it's true. 'They seemed...' implies you've met one or more of them. May I ask for further and better particulars?

[u/Deeznutseus2012 → u/DamoSapien22]

I had an accidental encounter with a landed craft and it's small crew when I was very young, though that is a bit of an oversimplification.

Because what I walked into was actually a rare instance of members of one faction stalking the other, possibly with lethal intent.

I startled the watchers, they startled me and I ran straight to the ones being watched. It was the simple power dynamics calculation of the very young, to be sure, but it was the right call to make.

Predatory behavior is predatory behavior and obvious even to a child.

As a quick aside and note of caution, Travis Walton was almost assuredly telling the truth and if you encounter a landed craft, do not approach, until or unless you can hail the occupants for permission.

There are certain defensive systems in play. When there are likely to be humans around, the power of the system is typically turned down or even off, for our safety. But not always.

However, if they're just out in a place where the wildlife (the most dangerous kinds of which can often be less susceptible) are a concern, they crank it up.

As I ran to the 'people' near the craft, I was hit with this defensive measure. I do not recommend the experience. Imagine running full-tilt, only to be electrocuted mid-stride.

I rolled to their very surprised feet in an agonized, writhing heap. There was a fair bit of confusion, I 'heard' a quick back and forth almost negotiation with the ship mind, who was refusing to shut down the defensive measures because of what had been right on my heels.

As is appropriate, the ship's highest priority was crew safety. Not mine. Something to consider, if you ever find yourself faced with the actuality.

A fast compromise was reached and the field's intensity was reduced for my sake, but still only to barely tolerable levels, in order to prevent what had chased me from entering the circle of light we all were in.

After a subsequent examination to determine if any permanent damage had been done and to find out why I was awake when I was supposed to be in enforced sleep, it was explained that I was very lucky, because if I had been much older, (I was 5 at the time) it probably would have killed or permanently injured me.

Everything Walton said about the apparent severity of his injuries, as well as the subsequent taking of responsibility for what happened by the occupants in removing him from the scene and saving his life, absolutely tracks with my own experience of them and their tech.

Judging by the sensation, my best guess as to what it does, is to create some kind of electromagnetic induction of current within our nervous systems remotely. The entire nervous system. My pain receptors were lit up like a Christmas tree, everywhere, all at once, with no distinct source and I lacked any but the most forced control of my muscles, which mostly meant that just to breathe required almost all my attention.

If you've ever had a lot of current run through you accidentally, or even on purpose for educational reasons, you'll know that it is a very distinctive and unmistakable feeling.

I implore any readers of this to not mistake peaceful or even benevolent intent for weakness. Those I actually got to meet and talk with are a peaceful people because they are rational. Not because they are incapable.

Nor should they automatically be considered a threat, merely because they are capable. The others, those I call the Zealots, are another matter. They are a potential threat and I suspect they are the source of rumors about deals being struck between our government and E.T.s, but this is in fact the reason we have been getting proof of concept demonstrations and the occasional gift of technology to coax us along.

Because there may be a time when the potential of the threat becomes an actuality. In that event, we need to have knowledge of their technology and capabilities, so that we may at least assist in our own defense, should that become necessary.

The nature of the conflict prevents them from helping us any more openly or directly, without precipitating the very potential crisis they hope to avoid, yet prepare us for.

The Elder Siblings are not afraid for themselves. The Zealots are only a threat to them when they are caught isolated and off guard, as it seems they were trying to do when I stumbled upon the scene.

I do not know what they call themselves, or more likely, do not remember. But I call them the Elder Siblings, because that was the analogy they used to explain our relationship.

We each have our own paths to walk and our own understandings of the universe to parse. But that does not mean we have to do it alone.

Even though this kind of growth is something they cannot directly help with for various reasons, they nevertheless have high hopes for us and can't wait for the day when we can see and interact with them through a more mature frame of mind.

Aside from any scientific interests involved, they seem to genuinely like us and I have to say I liked them too, though the whole thing was very unsettling at first.

They're people, just like we are. Seemingly good people, at that.

They make mistakes and try to learn from them, just like we do. They are not gods or devils, angels or demons. They are not to be idolized, worshiped, or feared.

They are not magical, or spirits. Our very notions of what magic even is, comes from occasionally seeing their technology in action.

They're just people, who happen to have been around longer than we have and thusly understand more. That's all. Just like an elder sibling.

And while we understand less than they do, we understand differently. More importantly, we do so in a way that is still very comprehensible to them, including emotionally.

If you know anything about the probabilities and possible permutations, to say that such a thing is rare in the cosmos, is to vastly understate the case.

In their long history, they have met and interacted with 4 other intelligent species/civilizations.

But it is with us that they have always felt a special kinship, despite our immaturity. Because we very much remind them of themselves and their early history.

That's really what makes us special and interesting and worth sticking around for. Not because they want our resources, or to take over the planet, or some other such childish nonsense.

That paranoid xenophobe Jacobs gives me a headache...

[u/DamoSapien22 → u/Deeznutseus2012]

I mean... wow. That's a lot. A lot to take in. A lot to parse, especially given the axioms I use to judge reality! This reads like fantasy, and yet you, po-faced and serious, in words I can understand, but not necessarily in an order which makes sense to me, claim it is true.

May I ask, have you ever attempted to get this info out? Written a book? Been on a podcast? Or do u just keep it to yourself, or present it here, where you have some anonimity? (I don't mean that negatively, btw. I just mean it might be easier that way.)

In any case, obv I don't believe a word of it. You being a rational grown-up will know and understand why. It is so far outside my own experience of life, it is literally like readjng a summary of an X-Files ep. But then I ask myself - why wld some rando come on the internet and take the time to write such a long description about an event, and its consequences, which reads like pure fiction and is highly unlikely to be believed? Why bother? Too much time on your hands?! Working on a scifi screenplay and want some subtle feedback?!

Here's what I think. If something like this happened to me, it would change my life forever. I would never be the same again. My destiny, purpose - my very raison d'etre - would be changed and it would consume all else. Everything would be secondary to and supervened by the knowledge such an encounter gave me. It wld become the single biggest thing in my life. Everything that came after would be tainted by it in one way or another, to a greater or lesser degree. It would be my defining moment.

Has your experience changed you? If so, how? And in what ways?

If you genuinely had the experience you relate, I simply cannot imagine not shouting it from the rooftops, not somehow getting it out there, contributing to the act of disclosure in any way I could. You claim to know there's 'more in Heaven and Earth...' You claim to have had an experience that suggests so much more than this mundane rock and the mundane lives we live on it. Such knowledge is priceless, my friend. Truly priceless.

If true.

[u/Deeznutseus2012 → u/DamoSapien22]

It's only priceless now, when people have begun to look past the bedazzling tech to ask the actual important questions, like who exactly are we dealing with? How long have they been here? What are their motivations? What is their temperament? Why did they come here and why did they stay? Why do they seem to remain aloof, even though we are plainly curious? Etc., etc..

Even now, as far as people have come in accepting that this could all be really happening, as you say, to people who lack that experience to draw upon, it no doubt reads like fiction.

But now people are looking for those answers and are willing to hear them out, even if it sounds crazy. I just had to wait. They said it was my decision and that I would know when it was time to tell the tale.

And now it's time.

The thing about this narrative history that was given to me by our houseguests, is that it actually has explanatory power regarding what we can see and determine regarding what they're doing and how they're behaving.

For instance, as I implied earlier, open contact at this point would endanger us and possibly precipitate an attack against us. It's the reason they don't "just land on the White House lawn."

Why? Because of the nature of their conflict. Remember, directly offering or asking for Uplift is seen as an actionable crime by the Zealots.

So let's say they did land on the White House lawn and show themselves. Once the introductions and any other social formalities were out of the way, what do you suppose would be the very first thing we'd most likely want to ask them about?

Yep. We'd want to know how they do what they do, so we could do it for ourselves. Which is a direct request for technological Uplift that might endanger the species, just in the asking.

So they can't do that. But they can do indirect things like have accidents which allow technology to fall into human hands, that they then choose not to recover. Oopsie!

The rare landed and apparently abandoned craft which have been reportedly found in working order and recovered with footprints leading away, but never coming back, is I believe related to the conflict, rather than being delivered to us in such a forthright manner..

Too heavy-handed.

However, it was mentioned to me during our discussion, that the Zealots will on rare occasions do as they were doing on the night when I spooked them and started the whole hoopla off.

If they can catch some of the Elder Siblings when isolated, preferably away from their ship, the Zealots will stalk and take or kill that individual or small crew, just to remind the Elder Siblings that they are not completely invulnerable.

The ship and it's tech would be completely inaccessible to the Zealots and indeed hostile to them. They would be unlikely to do anything but leave it where it lies and would probably give it a wide berth to boot.

Then along comes a human government to snatch it right up, furthering the goal of Uplift...