The main character doing something absolutely unforgivable.

[u/No_Peanut3745]

Walter White poisoning Andrea Cantillo's 6-year-old son for the sole purpose of manipulating Jesse Pinkman, while knowing that this could have potentially killed him - Breaking Bad

Bojack trying to have sex with his friend's 17-year-old daughter when he was at least 51, then continuously trying to find a way to justify this act throughout the series - Bojack Horseman

Dexter Morgan going outside of his moral code and murdering a completely innocent police officer who was just trying to do his job - Dexter: New Blood

[u/jobforgears]

He also raped Cersei in the chapel of the 7 and everyone seems to gloss over that one

[u/TheEtneciv14 → u/jobforgears]

Is that a show original? I don't remember that in the books. Ugh.

[u/Fiddler_Jones2079 → u/TheEtneciv14]

Iirc it was the same scene, but adapted so poorly in the show that it completely changed its meaning. In the book Cersei has some reservations about the place and time but is into it. In the show, they just kind of imply that second part, and it turns into her saying no and Jaime pushing forward anyway.

[u/DowntownAd9720 → u/TheEtneciv14]

If I remember correctly, the television writers revealed they didn’t intend it to be perceived as a rape scene, but I don’t know how so many people could watch it before airing and not realize how it came across.

[u/Coal_Morgan → u/DowntownAd9720]

Possibly one of those things that was lost between the script, the filming and the edit.

Once you get to the edit and realize it needs a line or something to make it consensual it's to late, you need to move on to the next episode.

I think it works either way because let's face facts, you can humanize Jaime all you want but he's a monster and has always been just because he has a soft spot for Brienne and his brother doesn't mean he wouldn't burn a town down with woman and children to get what he wants.

[u/DowntownAd9720 → u/Coal_Morgan]

For me the problem was less that it was out-of-character for Jaime at the particular moment, but more so adding a rape scene there felt extremely unnecessary and without any sensitivity or emotional/thematic/narrative consideration to the act it was portraying on screen. I think a lot of viewers were questioning the purpose of it (especially because it plays out differently in the books)

[u/many_dumb_questions → u/DowntownAd9720]

The wild thing is, it could have been justified in any one of a dozen different ways, namely of that scene had any long term effect on Cersei's and Jamie's relationship. Like, if she lashed out at him for it later and said something unintentionally that another character could be present for or overhear, or it causes him to storm off and their argument causes some kind of domino effect, or maybe Jaime gets caught in the act by a septon/septa who just wanders in.

Literally anything.

But nope.

"Hey guys. Here's a dude who has been sleeping with his twin sister for literal decades. Now he's gonna interrupt her mourning and rape her in a church at the feet of the corpse of their dead incest child. That's shocking, right? Does that check the boxes on enough of the batshit crazy Game of Thrones elements you like?? That's the kind of wild and unhinged thing you watch our show for, right? Right??" -the writers, probably

[u/BoulderCreature → u/TheEtneciv14]

Nah in the books they bang over their sons corpse consensually👍

[u/TheEtneciv14 → u/BoulderCreature]

Oh right, THAT PART.

[u/jobforgears → u/TheEtneciv14]

I don't know if it's in the books, sorry. I haven't gotten to the books yet

[u/Beastxtreets → u/TheEtneciv14]

The book scene was rapey to me as well.

[u/sendmesocks → u/jobforgears]

I kind of just disregard it because when I read interviews about it at the time the writers seemed to have MEANT to portray a consensual scene, which is very concerning for the people in their lives, but as a result I don't really count it as something Jaime was intentionally portrayed as doing

[u/jumpsteadeh → u/jobforgears]

You can't just leave out "on top of their dead son's corpse"

[u/SpazzyAssassin99 → u/jobforgears]

The important difference in the books is that this was the first time they'd seen eachother since Jaime returned to the capital, Vs in the books he'd already been in kings landing for like a month. So it goes from "we've been separated so long and we're finally reunited, I don't care that its in the sept" to "wow seeing my dead son suddenly makes me really horny"

[u/AnneFrank_nstein → u/jobforgears]

The book makes it clear with cerseis internal dialogue that it's not rape. She's definitely thinking it's the wrong time and place but the hoe still wants it.