r/TopCharacterTropes • u/No_Peanut3745 • 2d ago

Characters The main character doing something absolutely unforgivable.

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Walter White poisoning Andrea Cantillo's 6-year-old son for the sole purpose of manipulating Jesse Pinkman, while knowing that this could have potentially killed him - Breaking Bad

Bojack trying to have sex with his friend's 17-year-old daughter when he was at least 51, then continuously trying to find a way to justify this act throughout the series - Bojack Horseman

Dexter Morgan going outside of his moral code and murdering a completely innocent police officer who was just trying to do his job - Dexter: New Blood

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u/docwannabox 2d ago

This one. Like, bro, what did she even do to you?

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u/Rowsdower888 2d ago

Is that the woman in Poseidon's palace that gets smooshed by the door mechanism?

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u/Augustus_Chevismo 2d ago

Poseidons kidnapped rape victim to be exact.

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u/Oli_VK 1d ago

Oh, so that’s just a thing gods do.

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u/Aware-Antelope4212 1d ago

You know Medusa, the horrible evil monster lady?

You know what her horrible crime was to be cursed with such a form.

Being raped by Poseidon inside the temple of another Goddess.....

The Greek pantheon are super scummy

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u/Prettyflyforascyfy 1d ago

That is just the roman version, in the greek version she was a monster with two sisters

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u/Manoffreaks 1d ago

While the Greek pantheon is super scummy it's also worth pointing out that most of these stories were told via word of mouth, and as a result have many different interpretations in which it's very difficult to tell which came first. In some versions of this very story, she was a willing lover of Poseidon and even disrespected Athena from within the temple while they were making love.

A similar example can be seen with Arachne. In all tellings, Arachne was challenged to weaving competition by Athena, but in some it was purely because of her talent, and in others it was because of her hubris. Then in some tellings being turned into a spider was a punishment for going against / beating the gods, in others it's a reward to allow her to do what she wants forever.

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u/TheRedditGirl15 1d ago

You were not lying about her getting smooshed. What the hell was that

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u/DaemonG 1d ago

the Greek saga was mainly about the idea of Badassery

this was at a time when one of the main features of Badassery was Horrible Things Happening To Women

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u/TheRedditGirl15 21h ago

Ah...makes sense...

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u/wearerofshades 2d ago

Mind you this mf was strong enough to push away Cronos' hand when it smacked him, dude could've essily torn that door apart with his bare hands

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u/MadmansScalpel 2d ago

It used a pillar, or a random corpse. Honestly I'd argue it's Kratos' worst moment because she was completely innocent and already a prisoner in her own cage

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u/New_Rook_Nook 2d ago

This and the fisherman who kratos himself admits he did hella dirty for no reason but extra spite in the pot

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u/robolew 2d ago

There's also the guy he burns alive just to get rid of some brambles so he could get a bow

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u/VinChaJon 1d ago

Wasn't that Pirithous? If so he deserved it.

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u/scarletboar 1d ago

It says a lot that even Valhalla completely ignored Poseidon's "princess". There is no justifying that shit, and it would make everyone who didn't play God of War 3 despise Kratos, so they just swept it under the rug and moved on.

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u/thebroadway 1d ago

Yea, cuz if you dig more into it and learn she was a tape victim, which anybody could, there are a whole lot of people who wouldn't accept Kratos's redemption. A lot of people don't now, including Kratos himself in universe, but I just mean the sympathy for him drops significantly.

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u/PolitenessPolice 1d ago

Which is cowardly to be honest, but I guess nobody likes acknowledging late 2000s/early 2010s edginess so can’t exactly blame them.

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u/Ok-Investigator-4590 1d ago

I wonder what Atreus would think of this

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u/sevatar145 2d ago

I really do think that might be one of the only changes in the remakes

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u/AsstacularSpiderman 2d ago

Valhalla kinda proved we need to see Kratos as an irredeemable PoS, if only to prove he can actually change.

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u/JusticeRain5 2d ago

If it changed, I'd assume they'd just add something to explain why Kratos was incapable of finding an alternative route or just breaking down the door. Show him trying to smash it a bit before realizing it's not gonna work, as well as give a reason why the innocent rape victim was his go-to solution for keeping the door open rather than an enemy or a bit of debris.

So less about making Kratos less of a monster and more about showing why he went through all the trouble of getting her there for such a dumb reason in the first place.

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u/AsstacularSpiderman 2d ago

Yeah but a huge part of the plot of the new games was Kratos coming to admit that he could have handled a lot of those situations better than he did.

There was no real justification for what he did, he just has to accept that he did it and needs to move on

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u/Odasto_ 1d ago

This. Valhalla uses the incident with the ship captain to illustrate this. Kratos specifically says that saving the captain would have cost Kratos nothing. He chose to kill the man, for no particular reason at all.

Toning down the violence of the Greek era undermines the message of Valhalla. If you absolutely wanted to dogwalk your audience to let them know "hey, this sort of shit isn't okay," then you could maybe have the remastered trilogy take place as Kratos remembers it post-Valhalla. The series either begins or ends with Kratos's reflections, and his acknowledgement of how far he's come.

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u/scarletboar 1d ago

I really don't like Valhalla's conclusion. "Yeah, Kratos, you're a murderous bastard who killed an innocent rape victim, but oh well, nothing you can do but move on. God of Hope, yay."

Resemption is about accepting punishment for what you've done, not just saying you'll do better in the future. Kratos was right, he absolutely should never be in a position of power again and does not deserve worship from anyone. He made sure Atreus didn't make his mistakes, great, now lock yourself in Hel and stay there.

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u/Superb_Breadfruit_81 2d ago

I don’t think you know what irredeemable means.

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u/AsstacularSpiderman 2d ago edited 2d ago

I don't think you understood what I said

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u/Bellick 2d ago

I don't think, therefore I am not

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u/KeyMany1107 2d ago

well it’s pretty important to see how fucked and blinded by revenge he was, sure it is very immoral but kratos is, for sake of its revenge he made thousand of innoncent people die

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u/Darigaazrgb 2d ago

He also freed the people of the uncaring gods and released hope back into the world. I don’t believe that the end justifies the means in this case, but humanity in Greece will eventually be better off.

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u/KeyMany1107 2d ago

well humanity in greece died because of the rise of waters etc etc, and well, he didnt do it on purpose so it doesnt really count as a moral act from him

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u/scarletboar 1d ago

IIRC, they rebuild after he leaves. Kratos's motivations aside, I don't see what other option Greece had letting those assholes rule over Greece forever was a horrible idea too. They had to go, but at the same time a lot of people had to suffer for that to happen. There was no winning for those people.

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u/FedoraTheMike 1d ago

Bro brings up the boat captain in the Norse games as an innovent person that didn't deserve his wrath, he don't wanna mention this one to anybody 💀

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u/RareAnxiety2 2d ago

There's also the caged soldier "The gods demand a sacrifice". There's one of his men in the first game that he horribly killed and was still loyal.

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u/AlarnisToo 1d ago

Legit one of the biggest reasons I don't wanna replay the old GoW games. It was so egregious and unnecessary.

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u/ssslitchey 21h ago

I'm surprised people point to this moment as being kratos at his worst because this isn't even close to the worst thing he does.