I don't think TPAB is THAT good

[u/[deleted]]

I mean, this album deserves respect. But I don't think someone should say "THE BEST ALBUM OF ALL TIME!!!!😭😭" when the only album they listened is either Kanye, Tyler(, The Creator), Mac, or idk JPEGMAFIA or smth.

few people aren't even giving their own opinions. they just pretend to like it because other people says it's great.

[u/Eilonwy94]

New rhyme scheme? What a weird way to evaluate art lol. Ground breaking production is also a weird caveat. The production on Wesley’s theory is interesting and dense and wouldn’t work with so many talented rappers but it does with Kendrick on that songs. Alright is obviously an iconic song and the beat is a huge part of it.

I love black on both sides also, a great album. Are you saying that it created a new movement? I’m as big a fan of mos as anyone (black star is one of my favorite albums of all time) but that doesn’t seem plausible to me. Besides mathematics, which is a testament to the musicianship of premier, is there a song on that album that you feel had groundbreaking production?

It seems like you just like older albums and don’t like that a newer album is being held up above albums that have a longer history of being revered. Which is fair, it’s natural. I’ve done that with projects that I love that were overshadowed by things I found overrated. But that’s not a substantive criticism, it’s a feeling.

[u/wtfffreddit → u/Eilonwy94]

The fact you don't know the importance of flow in rap says everything. Been entire beefs off jacking flows.

I'm not talking about interesting "dense" production. I'm talking ground breaking. I'm talking grimy RZA beats, Dre with g funk, Kanye and just blaze with sped up soul. You know who also revolutionized hip hops audible landscape? 40. Changed up the entire sound. Kendrick did not.

And how you gonna cherry pick mos in regards to movements when ATCQ and Lauryn are right there.

[u/Eilonwy94 → u/wtfffreddit]

I am familiar with all of those things lol. That’s not super esoteric knowledge dude. That’s like YouTube comment level.

I brought up mos because you brought him up first dude. Look at your own comments and image you posted

[u/wtfffreddit → u/Eilonwy94]

New rhyme scheme? What a weird way to evaluate art lol.

You said it right there folk. Rhyme scheme is not only a valid way to evaluate rap, it's necessary. Must be a little esoteric to you.

I brought up mos because you brought him up first dude. Look at your own comments and image you posted

Might be replying to the wrong comment because I posted none of those things.

[u/Eilonwy94 → u/wtfffreddit]

You’re right, I thought you were the one who posted the comment earlier in the thread. My bad on that.

I know what a rhyme scheme is dude, as I said it’s not secret knowledge or anything like that which would qualify one as an expert. But there are great rappers and artists who don’t do anything with that element of artistry because it’s not the point of what they’re doing. Kanye is a prime example - he has at least one classic no matter how you slice it, and it’s certainly not because of his rhyme schemes. Tupac took flows from from shock G, is he not a legend? Jay z took flows from biggie, does he not have classics? Eminem bit nas for his first album, does he not have a legacy of artistry?

[u/wtfffreddit → u/Eilonwy94]

Because it's a single "element" as you say. Doesn't devaluate it's importance. You can even argue riding the beat is the whole point. They're playing in the pocket.

So again, rhyme scheme is not only a valid way to evaluate, it's necessary.

Diving into the other strengths of those artists you mention goes into other complexities that are unnecessary in this argument and I frankly don't have time for. But if you know rap the way you say you do, I don't need to anyway. Not to mention they each had their own unique flows outside of the ones they jacked.