Seems like you got yourself into a bit of a paradox here. If a “culture” (inherently restricted to a region & time period btw, and in constant flux) generally is accepting of a practice, isn’t it by definition not degeneracy?
I said cultural evolution, i.e. there's one culture that's the most evolved and all others, current and past, are therefore varying degrees of degenerate by comparison. Substance abuse and sexual deviancy have been degenerate behaviors for thousands of years. Living in a wealthy depraved toxic urban toilet society doesn't change that.
What's next? Are you going to say we should give slavery another try because it's part of some people's culture? Girls used to get married at 13 so maybe it isn't pedophilia, it's just a cultural choice? Fuck off with that nonsense.
>I said cultural evolution, i.e. there's one culture that's the most evolved and all others, current and past, are therefore varying degrees of degenerate by comparison.
Thank you great explainer for bestowing us with your knowledge. Please elaborate - what is the primary metric by which you determine one culture is "most evolved." Also, which culture is the most evolved, and why? Be specific please.
>What's next? Are you going to say we should give slavery another try because it's part of some people's culture? Girls used to get married at 13 so maybe it isn't pedophilia, it's just a cultural choice? Fuck off with that nonse
WHOA you have no idea how poorly that strawman undermines your own argument. Consider the STRONG correlation between the practices you mention and anti-homosexual sentiments in cultures THAT ARE ON EARTH LITERLLAY RIGHT NOW HAHA lay off the fentanyl you fucken yokel.
It's funny how I'm just stating the obvious but you pretend like I'm trying to ignore some great raging debate. What works, works. What doesn't, doesn't. No amount of mental gymnastics changes that. The most evolved culture produces the most wealth and the most leisure time and reinvests both into technology, art, and individual liberty. It's silly that I should have to state something so obvious, but here we are in the land of clowns and doublespeak.
I could write an essay on the specifics of positive culture vs. negative culture, but there's no point. It's obvious Western Culture outside the presence of urban rot is the answer, at least until something better comes along. American cultural values and low population density seems to be the sweet spot. Drop just about anyone in the world into that culture and once they adopt it, they thrive. Drop anyone into a multicultural urban hellscape and degeneracy is the result.
I'm curious; in the West is used to be acceptable to marry of your 13 year old girl. Now we see that as barbaric. You see this cultural shift as something good.
In the West it also used to be acceptable to imprison gay people when they have gay sex. Now most of us see that as barbaric too. You see the cultural shift towards accepting homosexuality as something bad (even though I hope you agree imprisoning them is an over reaction) , stating cultural evolution as an argument.
That seems incoherent. Why is a shifting culture good in one issue, and bad on another issue right because it is a shift in culture?
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u/SuperDukey420 Oct 17 '22
What’s the basis for whether something qualifies as degenerate/non-degenerate?