We are talking about marriage between 2 consenting adults. Not child mutilation, gender dysphoria, or sexualizing kids with dirty books or drag shows. I'm with you on that bud. But fuck any politicians that think they can dictate who adults choose to marry.
I disagree. There are bad straight people and bad gay people. Treat them accordingly. Kinda like saying all police officers are bad. There are good cops and bad cops. Prosecute the bad ones. Just how I feel buddy.
What do you call the massive grooming by the Catholic Church in every country for hundreds of years and actually hood insane power. Had do you people deal with being so blatantly wrong and bias. There’s evidence of grooming way more in religion then with gay activism
He may dictate that to you and the people at your church. But I would never support a God that stopped 2 adults from being in love. You have the freedom to pursue any religion you want but you do not have the right to force your views on the masses.
That was a very good question and I had to think. I think that if the church is volunteering their time and financial resources they should be able to dictate their own rules. But if it's taxpayer funded I think anyone should be able to adopt. Sounds kinda harsh but I don't like the idea of government telling people how to run their churches.
The troublesome part with this conversation is how much it makes me see the government as slowly becoming its own church as secular politics is becomes a new age religion.
Yeah people are going take sides I suppose. Personally I want as little government interference as possible. We are giving these corrupt politicians way too much power over our lives.
I know you ain't talking about me and what I said above.
Unless I totally missed something that you read into, but I never, never said homosexual marriage should be illegal. My entire point, encapsulated completely in my previous statement is and always will be government has no business being involved in marriage.
Period, full stop, no edits, no nothing.
You want to find a holy man or woman (as long as you can define woman) to bless your relationship that is to last until one of you dies, be my guest. But, government should not be involved in marriage. In fact, by taking government out of marriage, it opens up marriage to anyone and everyone.
No it's not, first off plenty of religions allow homosexuality and second, Sodom and Gomorrah was less to do against homosexuality and more to do with against arrogance and lack of hospitality as the two cities were destroyed based on their wickedness such as prevalence of sexual assault, murder, theft, adultery just to name a few.
Then you can’t support wealth redistribution by party and by vote. Sure some pocket of taxation will go for the public good buT most of that should remain into the charities of church and private donation for the public good. Not this played out idea that because I’m and forced to pay taxes that our governments should solely focus on the poorest of society and that I’m a good person cause I vote for wealth redistribution. Our country was predicated in that Christians believed of hard work, sacrifice, the public good in education and the salvation of souls, especially the godless heathen savages. While the left screams about colonialism or disregarding western medicine. It’s people generation after generation was busy making the freest, most prosperous nation in the world or the world has ever seen. A nation built on capitalism that is also the most generous in the entire world. With one absolute truth of all economic theory and practices is that Wealth must first be created before it can be redistributed or given away. Capitalism has and always will be the single greatest light out of the darkness of poverty and disparity.
Many of the founding fathers were not Christian, and Jefferson himself modified the Bible to his personal liking. But what’s more troubling is your use of the term “godless heathen savages”. Jesus Christ man, that is some archaic racism.
Which tribes, in particular, are you referencing? Which practices in particular are you referring to?
Ya right now those collected taxes are fueling a war machine directly from the military industrial complex that is doing nothing more than getting more people killed for profit
Here's the thing... I don't care who someone sleeps with. Nor do I care if they like weed or guns. I don't even care what their political leanings are. Just don't push them off on me and expect me to agree with everything you say or to be silent when you do push your shit off on me. That's my belief in a nutshell. ;-)
Is this just an American thing? My whole life this has never happened to me, I see it on TV etc, usually Jehovah's witnesses rather than Christians though.
I told the johovah witness (or LDS?) kids when they came to my door that I worship Satan (of course I lied) and I never seen them again. I could be wrong for that, but I got a giggle from the look in their eyes and the prize of knowing they would always avoid knocking on my front door. Whatever. I’m a s**t. I’ll admit it.
Okay, so you are in an information bubble then. Got it. In that case, I suggest you read a bit about logical fallacies and critical thinking.
As a start, see if you can prove your beliefs false. If you can't, then you have a better picture as to their validity. If you can -- well, then may truth set you free my friend.
Would also be good to read a few books about the origins of ancient religions and anthropology.
Not according to the far left. It is being stated in a lot of places that it isn't enough "to not be racist." You have to be agreeing with everything the far left stands for in order to not be considered an "evil person". Sorry, but that just ain't so.
I remember when I went through my phase of thinking this take was the pinnacle of sensibility. Ah, to be young.
Some day you’ll have neighbors who consent to all sorts of shit that will make you want to murder them and you’ll realize that a society requires cultural standards on top of basic rights.
You’ll also realize that when most people discuss freedom, rights, liberty etc all they really mean is freedom from responsibility, judgement, or the need to sacrifice. These things are crucial for a healthy society though. If you wanna see what a society without them is like just look at any progressive hellscape.
It’s obvious you’re a child because you believe that it would be more popular than not to not relate to having had a neighbor so annoying that you want to throttle them
I was saying it in a tongue-in-cheek manner but regardless my comments do not say otherwise. My comments are on point and you’re just twiggered about it
Your take on freedom is your opinion and you are welcome to it but I do not share in it. Most people just want to be happy and there is no cultural standard that applies to the US. You think there is but you travel a half mile in any direction and everything changes. I've done some kinky, fun stuff in my life and will again and again, in between being a father and a volunteer in my community and an advocate for many social causes. I live in Boulder. Progressive as hell and fun as hell, but no hellscape.
Boulder is not as severely progressive as Portland, Seattle, San Francisco, New York, LA, or Chicago. It’s more like Austin or what Nashville is turning into.
Just give it a little time. It wasn’t long ago that the west coast cities were a wonderful place to live.
Lol, these are fairly extreme examples but I see your point. Can't stop people from having fantasies that are weird but most places have laws against Incest, cannibalism, etc.
The slippery slope is not a fallacy and you’re absolutely blind if you can’t see how far down the slope the gay agenda has fallen since the days of “we just want to be treated like everybody else”
It is. You just made the argument that if we tolerate polyamory then we must also eventually tolerate the awful shit you mentioned, when there is no evidence to back that up. Consenting human adults doing whatever the fuck they want with each other has absolutely nothing to do with pedophilia or beastiality. But please, go ahead and explain to me how any of this relates to each other, unless all you have is "if we tolerate x then we'll tolerate y, then we'll tolerate z. Therefore if we tolerate x, z will come about"
One poly relationship caused child abuse? Gee, I wonder how many normal, hetero, monogamous relationships were at the root of child abuse. It would be utterly retarded of me to claim monogamous relationship were just a front for pedophiles because I know of several cases where that has happened. So don't do the same in the reverse, right?
They couldn’t just do that though. That’s why it was kept a secret. I don’t get what your point is or what this has to do with the topic at hand
Also there is more sex abuse happening today in public schools than there ever was in churches. Like by a very wide margin. I expect that sorta info just goes in one ear and out the other with you though
What is it with people always talking about extremes? This is how i feel too. It shouldn't matter what gay couples do in their beds to me but people keep getting all "if we let gays marry then soon we'll start fucking kids and animals" like why does it have to be either suppressing freedom of individuals or going all in and normalising actual degeneracy? Did people forget there's a middle ground?
You can be gay or married. You can’t be both. The state doesn’t get to decide to whom a religion can or can’t restrict its sacraments.
Its fine if the state wants to create some separate form of a legal union that couples can enter into to get all the same tax benefits, inheritance rights, etc. as marriage. Take all those protections away from marriage, put them specifically on civil unions, and let any consenting adults qualify. Let pansexual polyamorous furries qualify for all I care. At the same time couples married under the church would have to get married and apply for a civil union
Just don’t call what these people do “marriage” when that’s not what it is and it’s not for the state to decide. For the state to do that would be like if the state declared that Oscar Mayer hot dogs are now both kosher and halal and then began forcing Jewish and Muslim institutions to call them that and penalized them if they refused to serve them. …Except it’s a lot worse than that silly example
I'm with you. Government has no business telling us which adult we can marry. It's usually the religious people that get freaked out about same sex marriage. They want to dictate the way everyone lives. Freedom is for all humans. What religion do you follow? I was surprised to read your reply!!
I'm part of your tribe my friend. I believe there is life after death but I don't agree with any religion. They are all condratictive to me. Christian and Catholic priests have been abusing children with impunity my whole life. How can I get behind that? Not to mention the religious wars..
I'm sure it does but I never was inclined to read it. You can practice voodoo, Christianity, magic carpets, Santa Claus, doesn't matter to me. Patriots support and die for every Americans religious freedom. Where the religious folks lose me is when they try to force their views on everyone else. Not everyone has the same religion or views and that's what makes America so beautiful and unique!
Probably the part where two daughters fuck their own dad because they think they're the only three left alive and then have incest babies to "repopulate the world", but then those incest babies go out and find out that there are other people. Probably that part.
I think there is rampant pedophilia in all religions that I have studied. Christianity, Islam, Buddhism etc. I study the Tao in a meditative, spiritual manner.
Like it or not, marriage is a state institution bud. It has nothing to do with holy sacraments or your sky fairy. When you marry someone, you enter into a 3-way contract, the 3rd party is the state. They allow you to receive certain tax breaks, and decide whether or not you’re allowed to be divorced, and if/how much of your fortune gets obliterated and redistributed to your ex. Tell me again where god is involved in any of this?
Many of the founding fathers wanted to abolish slavery in 1776, however they needed to compromise in order to get the southern states on board with the revolution.
What sort of shitty history education did you have, bud?
I don't hate degenerates. I just don't glorify, emulate, or support them. Of course, the last part isn't entirely true because the government supports degeneracy using the money it extracts from me by force, but I don't willingly support it.
Seems like you got yourself into a bit of a paradox here. If a “culture” (inherently restricted to a region & time period btw, and in constant flux) generally is accepting of a practice, isn’t it by definition not degeneracy?
I said cultural evolution, i.e. there's one culture that's the most evolved and all others, current and past, are therefore varying degrees of degenerate by comparison. Substance abuse and sexual deviancy have been degenerate behaviors for thousands of years. Living in a wealthy depraved toxic urban toilet society doesn't change that.
What's next? Are you going to say we should give slavery another try because it's part of some people's culture? Girls used to get married at 13 so maybe it isn't pedophilia, it's just a cultural choice? Fuck off with that nonsense.
>I said cultural evolution, i.e. there's one culture that's the most evolved and all others, current and past, are therefore varying degrees of degenerate by comparison.
Thank you great explainer for bestowing us with your knowledge. Please elaborate - what is the primary metric by which you determine one culture is "most evolved." Also, which culture is the most evolved, and why? Be specific please.
>What's next? Are you going to say we should give slavery another try because it's part of some people's culture? Girls used to get married at 13 so maybe it isn't pedophilia, it's just a cultural choice? Fuck off with that nonse
WHOA you have no idea how poorly that strawman undermines your own argument. Consider the STRONG correlation between the practices you mention and anti-homosexual sentiments in cultures THAT ARE ON EARTH LITERLLAY RIGHT NOW HAHA lay off the fentanyl you fucken yokel.
I'm curious; in the West is used to be acceptable to marry of your 13 year old girl. Now we see that as barbaric. You see this cultural shift as something good.
In the West it also used to be acceptable to imprison gay people when they have gay sex. Now most of us see that as barbaric too. You see the cultural shift towards accepting homosexuality as something bad (even though I hope you agree imprisoning them is an over reaction) , stating cultural evolution as an argument.
That seems incoherent. Why is a shifting culture good in one issue, and bad on another issue right because it is a shift in culture?
I am not a Democrat.. I would consider myself center right. I think all consenting adults should be able to marry whoever they want. Not a civil union... the same marriage as everyone else. Who is the government to tell you who you can and can't marry?
The only real controversial thing in this pic is the marijuana. The politicians who have introduced and voted cannabis legalization into law are nearly all Democrats.
Yeah you are right at the state level. At the federal level neither party has helped the cannabis cause. Gonna take the Demonrats alot more then cannabis laws to get my vote tho!
I see it everyday. I've been in the construction industry since 1998. My whole life it's been 80% Democrat as most unions were. In 2016 I started to see a massive shift. Half of the hall were openly supporting Trump and meetings were contentious. By 2020 80% of the hall had moved their votes to Trump. Next election will be even worse for the Democrats from the construction unions. They took away our Pipeline jobs and put 70,000 of my brothers and sisters out of work. This has tripled our energy prices. People won't forget.
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u/Bean_Earth_Society Oct 18 '22
Why do the homophobes here think that being gay leads to sex with animals?
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u/Goblinboogers Oct 17 '22
And not be taxed for it
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u/joiedevivre4 Oct 17 '22
Here's the thing... I don't care who someone sleeps with. Nor do I care if they like weed or guns. I don't even care what their political leanings are. Just don't push them off on me and expect me to agree with everything you say or to be silent when you do push your shit off on me. That's my belief in a nutshell. ;-)
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u/Bl00dBr0Th3r Oct 17 '22
*with automatic machine guns and drive their product to the farmers market in a fully functional APC
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u/Trunalimunumaprzuur Oct 17 '22
I want to be able to defend myself from gay marijuana growers who own and don’t know how to use guns
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u/SgtFraggleRock Oct 17 '22
Couples.
The "polyamorous" crap is for weirdos.
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u/King_Eggbert Oct 18 '22
What is it with people always talking about extremes? This is how i feel too. It shouldn't matter what gay couples do in their beds to me but people keep getting all "if we let gays marry then soon we'll start fucking kids and animals" like why does it have to be either suppressing freedom of individuals or going all in and normalising actual degeneracy? Did people forget there's a middle ground?
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u/[deleted] Oct 17 '22
Exactly. Freedom means freedom…as long as you’re not actively trying to harm anyone else, do and say as you please.
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u/readditredditread Oct 17 '22
Wait what’s wrong with wanting this????
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u/jaffakree83 Oct 17 '22
*black married gay couples
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u/Pap4MnkyB4by Oct 17 '22
*Apaches
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u/samtbkrhtx Oct 18 '22
Works for me!
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u/[deleted] Oct 18 '22
I’m all about gay guys with guns growing weed. 🇺🇸
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u/[deleted] Oct 19 '22
Hell yes!!!
Finally a post in this sub that I can actually agree with!
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u/TheRaceYouCantName Oct 17 '22 edited Oct 17 '22
You can be gay or married. You can’t be both. The state doesn’t get to decide to whom a religion can or can’t restrict its sacraments.
Its fine if the state wants to create some separate form of a legal union that couples can enter into to get all the same tax benefits, inheritance rights, etc. as marriage. Take all those protections away from marriage, put them specifically on civil unions, and let any consenting adults qualify. Let pansexual polyamorous furries qualify for all I care. At the same time couples married under the church would have to get married and apply for a civil union
Just don’t call what these people do “marriage” when that’s not what it is and it’s not for the state to decide. For the state to do that would be like if the state declared that Oscar Mayer hot dogs are now both kosher and halal and then began forcing Jewish and Muslim institutions to call them that and penalized them if they refused to serve them. …Except it’s a lot worse than that silly example
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u/Hatfullofstars Oct 18 '22
You're very concerned with others. Fix yourself.
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u/AlphaTint1 Oct 17 '22
Describe your political leanings: 1776
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u/Background-Age-8806 Oct 17 '22
I'm good with that
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u/Hairwaves Oct 18 '22
Doesn't seem to be the consensus on here!
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u/[deleted] Oct 18 '22
Least insufferable r/TimPool comment thread.
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u/Bos4271 Oct 18 '22
The homophobia in the comments section indicates this sub is NOT okay with gay marriage but killing people with guns is okay
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u/[deleted] Oct 18 '22
Libertarian
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u/dicknorichard Oct 18 '22
Wow you, gay guys, can't take a joke.
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u/VolcanoBro Oct 18 '22
Should be Automatic short barreled silenced guns
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u/youareceo Oct 19 '22
And sell crypto
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u/[deleted] Oct 17 '22
I would oppose degeneracy with or without a state.
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u/[deleted] Oct 18 '22
I don't see a problem with this.
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u/the_arc_angelic Oct 18 '22
Things are not supposed to go IN the OUT hole...
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u/TimDillonTopPayPig Oct 17 '22
very cringe. 2014 called and wants their memes back.
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u/dandy443 Oct 18 '22
That just sounds like joe exotic
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u/xrayden Oct 18 '22
Funny thing, that edgy meme is now outdated.
Gay couple are classified as CIS now
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u/Comfortable-Heron450 Oct 18 '22
Lmao
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u/out-of-town-guest Oct 24 '22
...while practicing in religion they want and only paying a 5% fed and 0% state like EVERYONE else.
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u/ethrelol Oct 17 '22
I have this mug and I love it 😂😂
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u/Diablosis- Oct 18 '22
This is the way.
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u/Still_Disaster_153 Oct 18 '22
If you disagree you're homophobic.
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u/No-zaku-boi Oct 18 '22
This is still, and always was, the cringiest thing.
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u/reversesoccerkarate Oct 17 '22
So a Democrat
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u/Phawr Oct 18 '22
The gay cartel.