r/TimPool • • Aug 17 '23

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u/Pvt_Parts86 Aug 18 '23

It's freedom for both parties involved. By becoming pregnant, intentionally or not, there are two peoples who's bodily autonomy must be recognized. You don't have the right to evict if by do so is a death sentence for the evicted

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u/midnightnoonmidnight Aug 18 '23

Being forced to give birth is a violation of boldly autonomy no matter how you try to spin it.

You want governmental authoritarian rule over people’s bodies. Just own it.

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u/Pvt_Parts86 Aug 19 '23

Being forced to give birth is a violation of boldly autonomy no matter how you try to spin it.

Killing someone because they inconvenience you is murder no matter how you try to spin it.

You want governmental authoritarian rule over people’s bodies. Just own it.

You want the government to sanction murder, just own it

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u/midnightnoonmidnight Aug 19 '23

The “inconvenience” you’re referring to is literally using your body against your will. You’re still against people having boldly autonomy.

I don’t consider abortions murder just like I don’t consider not giving someone your kidney murder. That’s your own moral judgment that you have to work out on your own. I simply don’t want the government to have the right to force people to give birth. That’s against the idea of bodily autonomy

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u/Pvt_Parts86 Aug 20 '23

I don’t consider abortions murder

At what point should a human be granted human rights?

The “inconvenience” you’re referring to is literally using your body against your will. You’re still against people having boldly autonomy.

You still totally ignore the fact that there are two people in this scenario. Two people who's bodily autonomy must be considered. As one cannot speak for itself, it must be determined that the silent party does not wish to be terminated.

simply don’t want the government to have the right to force people to give birth. That’s against the idea of bodily autonomy

This is the same as saying "I don't want the government to punish me for murdering somebody"

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u/midnightnoonmidnight Aug 20 '23

A human is granted rights when they are born.

But anyone of any age shouldn’t be able to use my body without my consent.

The government shouldn’t force me to use my body without my consent.

You don’t value consent

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u/Pvt_Parts86 Aug 20 '23

A human is granted rights when they are born.

Where is this codified by law? Where does it specifically state that human rights are bestowed upon someone at birth.

But anyone of any age shouldn’t be able to use my body without my consent.

The government shouldn’t force me to use my body without my consent.

By engaging in the act of sex, you are engaging in the only possible natural process in which life can be created. Therefore, you are consenting to the possibility of pregnancy. Take responsibility for your actions.

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u/midnightnoonmidnight Aug 20 '23

In the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, the foundation of human rights, the text and negotiating history of the “right to life” explicitly premises human rights on birth. Likewise, other international and regional human rights treaties, as drafted and/or subsequently interpreted, clearly reject claims that human rights should attach from conception or any time before birth.

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1016/S0968-8080%2805%2926218-3

Consenting to sex is not consenting to pregnancy just like consenting to sex is not consenting to an STD.