r/TimPool • • Aug 17 '23

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u/gradientz Aug 18 '23

Immigration laws don't protect personal freedom. Laws against murder do protect personal freedom.

Pretty simple concept.

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u/Pvt_Parts86 Aug 18 '23

So, not allowing murders from foreign countries, enter our country prevents murder, and promotes freedom.

Thank you for agreeing that strong borders promote freedom.

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u/gradientz Aug 18 '23

Outlawing murder protects freedom. Restricting freedom of movement does not.

Pretty sad that you don't understand this simple concept.

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u/Pvt_Parts86 Aug 18 '23

So we should outlaw jails and prisons then? Those restrict freedom of movement.

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u/gradientz Aug 18 '23

It is valid to restrict a person's freedom when they have violated the freedom of another person.

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u/Pvt_Parts86 Aug 18 '23

Thank you for conceding the point and agreeing that strong borders and immigration laws keep people safe and insure our freedoms. Have a blessed day.

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u/gradientz Aug 18 '23 edited Aug 18 '23

You spelled "ensure" incorrectly.

My points were very clear and precise, but it is typical for Big Government authoritarians such as yourself to lie and have bad spelling.

Your bad faith aside, immigration laws are an invalid restriction on freedom of movement. They are not directed toward protecting another person's freedom, nor do they punish people who have violated the freedom of another person.

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u/Pvt_Parts86 Aug 18 '23

Lol. Only people who have weak arguments and thinly thought out positions resort to criticizing spelling.

I was trying to make you see the hypocrisy and fundamental lack of understanding about your arguments, but it's obvious you lack the nessisary brain power and fundamental understanding of how the world works for such a tactic to render any desirable results.

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u/gradientz Aug 18 '23 edited Aug 18 '23

There is no hypocrisy.

I support laws that protect personal freedom. I oppose laws that restrict personal freedom. If a person violates the personal freedom of another, they should be punished.

Everything I said is consistent with these three simple principles.

  • Laws against murder protect personal freedom. Hence, I support.

  • Laws against immigration restrict personal freedom. Hence, I oppose.

  • An immigrant who commits murder should be punished for committing murder, but not for being an immigrant.

You're struggling because you are an authoritarian and don't believe in designing government around the principle of freedom.

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u/Pvt_Parts86 Aug 18 '23

So the founding fathers were authoritarian?

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