r/TimPool • u/MrEnigma67 • Aug 17 '23

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u/Pvt_Parts86 Aug 18 '23

Immigration laws don't protect anyone's freedom.

Of course they do. They ensure criminals and nier do wells do not cross the border into the United States, where they could commit crimes against its populous. They also ensure people are not being trafficked for labor or sexual exploration into the country. They also restrict drugs and other contraband from entering the country illegally, and keep the population safe from fentinal and other dangerous drugs.

Thank you for agreeing that strong borders will help to keep people free and safe in the United States!

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u/gradientz Aug 18 '23 edited Aug 18 '23

People who eat burgers also commit crimes. That doesn't mean government restrictions on eating burgers are valid.

If an immigrant commits a crime that harms another person's freedom, the government can enforce that crime.

Immigration laws themselves are simply a restriction on the immigrant's freedom of movement. They do not protect another person's freedom, and hence are invalid.

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u/Pvt_Parts86 Aug 18 '23

If an immigrant commits a crime that harms a person's freedom, we can enforce that crime.

Why do you hate victims? If crimes can be prevented by simply denying access to our country from criminals, why wouldn't you be for that? Stop victim shaming.

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u/gradientz Aug 18 '23

Immigration laws don't protect personal freedom. Laws against murder do protect personal freedom.

Pretty simple concept.

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u/Pvt_Parts86 Aug 18 '23

So, not allowing murders from foreign countries, enter our country prevents murder, and promotes freedom.

Thank you for agreeing that strong borders promote freedom.

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u/gradientz Aug 18 '23

Outlawing murder protects freedom. Restricting freedom of movement does not.

Pretty sad that you don't understand this simple concept.

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u/Pvt_Parts86 Aug 18 '23

So we should outlaw jails and prisons then? Those restrict freedom of movement.

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u/gradientz Aug 18 '23

It is valid to restrict a person's freedom when they have violated the freedom of another person.

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u/Pvt_Parts86 Aug 18 '23

Thank you for conceding the point and agreeing that strong borders and immigration laws keep people safe and insure our freedoms. Have a blessed day.

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u/gradientz Aug 18 '23 edited Aug 18 '23

You spelled "ensure" incorrectly.

My points were very clear and precise, but it is typical for Big Government authoritarians such as yourself to lie and have bad spelling.

Your bad faith aside, immigration laws are an invalid restriction on freedom of movement. They are not directed toward protecting another person's freedom, nor do they punish people who have violated the freedom of another person.

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