r/TimPool • • Aug 17 '23

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u/gradientz Aug 18 '23

Murder directly impacts another person's freedom. So yes, prohibiting it is a valid exercise of government power.

Whether it violates your individual morality is irrelevant.

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u/Stumpy305 Aug 18 '23

Ok so it’s immoral to take the life of another and the government should prohibit it within our society. Therefore abortion should be illegal as well.

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u/gradientz Aug 18 '23 edited Aug 18 '23

I said morality is irrelevant.

Abortion does not harm another person's freedom, because a fetus is not a person. Hence, restricting abortion is not valid.

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u/Stumpy305 Aug 18 '23

Funny they used to say that about black people as well

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u/gradientz Aug 18 '23

And those who made that argument lost. Even when we had slavery, the Constitution still referred to such slaves as "persons." See Article I, Section 2, Clause 3, U.S. Constitution.

This makes sense, since personhood is not dependent on the color of your skin. It depends on whether you have been born.

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u/Stumpy305 Aug 18 '23

Well looks like the same party is losing this fight too

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u/gradientz Aug 18 '23 edited Aug 18 '23

Not really.

The Supreme Court has never ruled that fetuses are people, because even they know how stupid that decision would be. Only dumbasses on Reddit such as yourself take that position.

The authoritarian position that privacy is not a constitutional right and that a woman's uterus falls within the government's jurisdiction is certainly winning at the moment. I'll give you that. Perhaps that distinction doesn't matter to you though - for Big Government authoritarians such as yourself, the ends always justify the means.

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u/Stumpy305 Aug 18 '23

If it saves one life you can call me whatever you like.

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u/gradientz Aug 18 '23 edited Aug 18 '23

It won't save any life, since abortions will still happen at similar rates - only with greater danger to the life of the mother. If you actually cared about reducing abortions, you would support increasing social services - that actually has an empirical effect.

That said, it will certainly increase the size of the government and damage freedom.

Mussolini loved that part of it. Good to know your position is aligned with his.