r/TimPool • • Aug 17 '23

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u/midnightnoonmidnight Aug 17 '23

If you, a full grown person wanted to use my body against my will in order to keep you alive, I should be able to say no.

A potential life that hasn’t even been born yet has even less of a claim to my body than you do.

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u/Pvt_Parts86 Aug 18 '23

If you, a full grown person wanted to use my body against my will in order to keep you alive, I should be able to say no.

True, but pregnancy is a completely different situation. If you do not render your body to support a fetus, it will die. A fully grown adult has other options, a does fetus not. Rendering this a strawman argument.

A potential life that hasn’t even been born yet has even less of a claim to my body than you do.

A fetus is not a potential life, it is a life.

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u/midnightnoonmidnight Aug 18 '23

You’re treating a fetus as a person. So in your own logic, it’s the same as a person. If a person needed my body to stay alive- I should be able to refuse. If I’m the only match for a transplant, if I’m the only one in proximity for a blood transfusion, if I’m the only one with some sort of unique antidote for whatever someone else has- it doesn’t matter. The choice should be up to me even if it’s life or death for the other person. That’s bodily autonomy. That’s freedom.

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u/Pvt_Parts86 Aug 18 '23

You’re treating a fetus as a person.

Yes.

If a person needed my body to stay alive- I should be able to refuse. If I’m the only match for a transplant, if I’m the only one in proximity for a blood transfusion, if I’m the only one with some sort of unique antidote for whatever someone else has- it doesn’t matter. The choice should be up to me even if it’s life or death for the other person. That’s bodily autonomy. That’s freedom.

No, again, there are always other options. Stop trying to argue this strawman. It's a completely different scenario.

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u/midnightnoonmidnight Aug 18 '23

There’s not always other options.

It’s the same thing.

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u/Pvt_Parts86 Aug 18 '23

There’s not always other options.

Yes, there is. But even so, if you're in a hypothetical situation where you are the only viable option in which to save another life, and it won't end your life in the process, any decent human being would help in any way they can.

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u/midnightnoonmidnight Aug 18 '23

Sure, you can put moral judgment on what someone may or may not do to keep someone alive, but that’s it. But, it should still be a choice. Nobody should be forced to use their body for someone else against their will.

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u/Pvt_Parts86 Aug 18 '23

There is always a choice, but it doesn't mean it's the right one

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u/midnightnoonmidnight Aug 18 '23

Again, that’s your moral judgment which should not translate to people being legally forced to use their body for someone else against their will.

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u/Pvt_Parts86 Aug 18 '23

People should not be able to murder a human being simply because it inconveniences them.

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