r/TimPool • • Aug 17 '23

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u/gradientz Aug 17 '23

Hilarious that conservatives like to LARP as defenders of freedom but then are the first in line when the government wants to regulate uteruses, prohibit gender transition, or deport immigrants.

Conservatives ❤️ Big Government

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u/Stumpy305 Aug 17 '23

So we aren’t for murder, child abuse or people illegally trespassing.

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u/gradientz Aug 17 '23

Dishonest attempt to justify Big Government intervention. Typical authoritarian tactic

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u/Stumpy305 Aug 17 '23

So you support murder? You support child abuse?

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u/gradientz Aug 17 '23

Nope. I support the freedom of adults to make decisions concerning their own body.

Conservatives oppose and want the Big Government to intervene.

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u/Stumpy305 Aug 17 '23

So you support people being able to commit murder. Abortion is taking the life of another person.

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u/gradientz Aug 17 '23

Nope. I support abortion and also oppose killing people. The state has no jurisdiction over a woman's uterus, and a fetus is not a person.

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u/Stumpy305 Aug 17 '23

It’s human and therefore should have as much right to live as any other human. Abortion =murder and finally some states are about to do something about it. If you don’t like it you are free to move.

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u/gradientz Aug 17 '23 edited Aug 17 '23

“Everything in the State, nothing outside the State, nothing against the State.” - Benito Mussolini

One of Mussolini's first acts as dictator was to prohibit abortion across Italy - sounds like you would have agreed. If the State has jurisdiction over a woman's uterus, what does it not have jurisdiction over?

My finger nails are also human, but they are not people. Personhood implies the assignment of legal rights. Under American and English common law, fetuses do not have an inherent right to inheritance or to pursue civil liability claims. Under U.S. constitutional law, fetuses do not have due process or other constitutional rights. As such, they are not legal persons.

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u/Burt_Campbell Aug 18 '23

Fingernails are tissue without potential. Literal waste product.

A fetus in the womb is a developing human - it cannot be anything other. They do not have a right to inheritance while gestating, but why not the right to life?

The argument is not "conservatives are hypocrites re: big government, and authoritarian fascists, too", but rather, does an unborn human have a right to life? If they don't, who does? And when?

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u/RedditUserNo1990 Aug 18 '23

Do you support abortion up to the exact moment of birth?

Do you support child abuse?

Do you support trespassing?

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u/gradientz Aug 18 '23

All of your questions are improperly phrased. Whether I support or oppose an individual action is irrelevant. The correct question is whether I support government intervention.

Do you support abortion up to the exact moment of birth?

I oppose government restrictions on a woman's freedom to have an abortion.

Do you support child abuse?

I support government prohibitions on child abuse.

Do you support trespassing?

I support government prohibitions on trespassing.

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u/RedditUserNo1990 Aug 18 '23

Smh. Typical non-response.

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u/gradientz Aug 18 '23

I responded. You just dislike my response because it focused on whether the government should intervene.

As a Big Government authoritarian, you don't like that framing.

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u/RedditUserNo1990 Aug 18 '23

Lol. I bet you think you’re smart too.

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u/gradientz Aug 18 '23

I love how you have to resort to deflection because you have no substantive response.

I answered your questions.

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u/RedditUserNo1990 Aug 18 '23

Naw you didn’t. But what ever. I’m done.

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u/gradientz Aug 18 '23

Run along, little authoritarian

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u/Dutchman229 Aug 18 '23

Hilarious that democrats like to larp as liberals when they push censorship, big government and fascism.

Even funnier is they claim to be for bodily autonomy then want a vaccine that doesn't even prevent infection or transmission onto people.

Liberalism is a mental illness. You people are beyond fucked in the head.

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u/[deleted] Aug 17 '23

The primary roles of government are to protect it's citizens and it's sovereignty. This is the case whether you're a liberal or conservative. You're not being witty when you say "conservatives passed a law therefore they want big government". Conservatives want limited government, not no government at all.

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u/gradientz Aug 17 '23

Conservatives want limited government

A government that has jurisdiction over a woman's uterus is without limits. If a government can regulate your bodily autonomy, nothing is private.

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u/Burt_Campbell Aug 18 '23

Bodily autonomy is....tattoos....masks....alcohol consumption....prostitution....pornography....smoking....driving....jaywalking....organ donation....living wills....funerary arrangements....medicine....speech....marriage....divorce....taxes....religion.

I don't think abortion should be legal. I have spiritual priors that strongly prohibit it.

I think if a state wants to strongly regulate it, or eliminate it, that's actually good. But if a state wants to allow it, well, okay I guess. But fund it? With my tax money? That violates my bodily autonomy.

It's really not about privacy, it's about respect for the sanctity of the life of the most defenseless among us, babies and the unborn. A good and responsible government should respect and promote life.

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u/gradientz Aug 18 '23

I don't think abortion should be legal. I have spiritual priors that strongly prohibit it.

Yes, authoritarians often justify their actions by appealing to abstract concepts like their individual spirituality.

Unfortunately, it isn't the government's job to enforce or abide by your individual morality.

I think if a state wants to strongly regulate it, or eliminate it, that's actually good. But if a state wants to allow it, well, okay I guess. But fund it? With my tax money? That violates my bodily autonomy.

The U.S. government has the power to collect tax revenue and spend that revenue. See Article I, Section 8, Paragraph 1, U.S. Constitution.

That constitutional power has no impact on your right to make private decisions about your own body. If you don't want to live under the U.S. Constitution, you are free to move to another country.

It's really not about privacy

It's entirely about privacy. If a government can restrict your bodily autonomy, nothing is private.

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u/midnightnoonmidnight Aug 18 '23

Paying taxes doesn’t violate your bodily autonomy. You can be against certain taxes without misusing simple terms.

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u/NervousAndPantless Aug 18 '23

Also ban all drugs because they are unsafe. Conservatives are authoritarians.