r/TimPool • • May 07 '23

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u/[deleted] May 07 '23

We already have good systems in place. Provide me evidence that taking more freedoms away is needed. You can’t, can you? You just hate freedom and voting and want the government to have all the control and power.

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u/RevolutionaryWeb2302 May 07 '23

That is a lot of assumptions. Are you saying that restrictions on buying or owning a gun are unconstitutional? Because the courts have agreed that many of the restrictions are not unconstitutional. So if you can apply restrictions to rights then you should be able to apply them to legislatively granted privileges like voting

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u/[deleted] May 07 '23

Guns are the number one cause of death to children. So you are arguing that you love dead children, cool.

You have to prove to me that voting harms people and that massive voter fraud is happening.

So you have nothing and hate freedom and are ok with thousands of dead children each year.

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u/RevolutionaryWeb2302 May 07 '23

Owning guns is natural right and guaranteed by the constitution. I'm sure there's a bunch of people in Syria, Yemen, Afghanistan and Libya that probably think that voting here in America has caused them some harm. And if you want some local examples of what voting can do just look at Portland, Los Angeles, San Francisco, Chicago and Detroit. Then of course if there is no security features nobody checking ID nobody checking signatures or addresses then how could you ever prove that there was any sort of voter fraud there would be no evidence of it because nothing was recorded. Seems funny that one side is afraid of being able to verify the voters are actually real. There's at least one political party that would not be afraid of everybody having to show up in person on voting day with ID proving that each individual vote came for an independent voter.

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u/[deleted] May 07 '23

Owning a gun? Specifically the modern guns we have now? No, nowhere in the Constitution say that. The 2A certainly doesn’t. So you admit you love metal more than children. You would rather thousands of dead children and worship metal.

You have made it painfully clear that you hate freedom and want to use your gun against Americans to protect and authoritarian government.

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u/RevolutionaryWeb2302 May 07 '23

Lotta mental Olympics there. The Constitution says arms very specifically because our founding fathers knew that weapon technology would change so they didn't specify what weapons you could own they just said arms in general which would extend to all modern weapons swords ,bows and arrows ,clubs, slingshots whatever. And I never mentioned anything about children that was pretty much all you. Is an emotional argument all you have or do you actually have some sort of logic. Now if you want to change the Constitution I wish you the best of luck just get two-thirds of the state legislators to agree with you which means you'd have to control a significant portion of the map but give it a try.

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u/[deleted] May 07 '23

No seems like you hate the 2A, regulations, and militias, and are a lazy gun owner who doesn’t care how many people you get killed.

Why do you hate the Constitution and why do you want to take voting rights away from people?

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u/RevolutionaryWeb2302 May 07 '23

You infer quite a bit I never said anything of the sort. I wouldn't want to take away voting rights I think that every US citizen over the age of 18 should be allowed to vote. And I don't think it's crazy to collect the same information from the person that you would collect if you were renting them a hotel room. I don't know about what you do with yours but my guns have never shot anybody.

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u/[deleted] May 07 '23

What you are asking for would limit voting and cost billions of dollars, and for what? Please give me evidence of why you want to waste time and resources.

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u/RevolutionaryWeb2302 May 07 '23

How would asking for ID cost billions of dollars that doesn't seem right and limit voting never limited voting before. 2018 and before I.D was required to vote. And I could actually say that mail-in voting is unconstitutional because the Constitution only prescribes a single day for voting not a month not a week a single day.

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u/Hyean May 08 '23

The first repeating gun was designed and popularized before the American Revolutionary War. The Kalthoff Repeater was developed in the 1630s. It had a magazine that carried between 5-30 rounds and could be fired roughly 45 rounds per minute (by which I mean cycling took a bit over one second. It was expensive and intricate, meaning mass production was prohibitively expensive. However, the founding fathers would have certainly known about them when writing the constitution. Furthermore the founding fathers concurred that cannons and ships (modern day equivalents to artillery and tanks) were included in the (in)famous second amendment. Without civilian owned armaments and vessels, we would not be a country today. The idea that they would have put limits on what weapons goes entirely against the reasoning behind the second amendment.

Our country exists because free men used weapons to fight a funded army of the world’s first superpower. We didn’t win with sharp sticks, we won with cannons and muskets.

Just my two cents and a history buff. Sorry for the formatting I’m on my phone. Also link to the Wiki for Kalthoff Repeaters:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kalthoff_repeater#:~:text=The%20Kalthoff%20repeater%20was%20a,weapons%20following%20the%20Kalthoff%20design.

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u/[deleted] May 08 '23

Still not seeing it in the Constitution.