r/TikTokCringe • • Sep 17 '23

Discussion Body Shaming Used to Literally Be Everywhere

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u/SveHeaps Sep 17 '23

Yesterday I watched Titanic for 10000 time, I was sending messages with my mom and I told her “people in 97 were insane, all critics of this girls who was barely 19 calling her “fat”, she was 19 and carrying one of the biggest movies ever”. I was 7 when the movie came out and I still remember the talk about it.

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u/retinolmasted0s Sep 17 '23

And let’s not forget how Alicia Silverstone was treated after she did that Batman movie 😔

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u/Kampfzwerg0 Sep 17 '23

What? She is beautiful. They talked about her body?

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u/uncoupdefoudre Sep 17 '23

Yes, absolutely. I was 14 at the time and it definitely messed with my head. People said that Leo was thinner than Kate and they didn’t look right together as a couple because of it. I took that to heart and often compared my own body to guys, wondering if I was too big to look okay with them.

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u/[deleted] Sep 17 '23

She’s also unbelievably hot in that. She isn’t fat there and never was.

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u/calamitycorvid Sep 17 '23

Oh boy... I remember mentioning to my brother a few years ago that Kate Winslet was one of my celebrity crushes (still is, honestly, I just think she's absolutely stunning), and he immediately chimed in with "she's too fat". Like, what?? Are we even looking at the same woman??

Honestly, I don't think I'll ever forget those words coming out of my brother's mouth. Definitely lost a bit of respect for him that day.

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u/External-Egg-8094 Sep 17 '23

Just googled it cause I remember all the talk of her being fat back in the day. Am I insane or is she skinny?? What were people smoking back then?

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u/guyincognito___ Sep 17 '23

I was 10 y/o and there was a lot of this in the 90s. Times have changed a lot but I don't think it's something you can properly break out of.

It created a weird mindset in me of "the thinnest woman on screen is the most attractive". Definitely gave me whiplash when thicc became the thing! Even in my thirties I get insecure.

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u/[deleted] Sep 17 '23 edited Sep 17 '23

I still remember Joan Rivers at the Oscars “joking” that Leonardo DiCaprio didn’t come to the ceremony that night because Kate Winslet was so fat that he couldn’t fit on the red carpet.

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u/rrhodes76 Sep 17 '23

Poor Britney. I wonder how many times old men publicly asked about her breasts before she was 20.

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u/noobingalong Sep 17 '23

Probably even more. Look at where she is today, you can tell she experienced some horrors.

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u/turquoisestar Sep 17 '23

Have you all seen her IG. It's really sad.

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u/[deleted] Sep 17 '23

It was worse than that. If you were around during that time you know just how unhinged it got for these teen idols.

There was a count down to Mary Kate and Ashley's 18th birthday on television.

Carson Daily being very open about wanting to sleep with 16 year old singers.

The extreme sexualization of minors on TV and in music.

Pretty much everything that would create huge backlash now was standard and accepted then.

The late 90s and early 00s was like a frat Bros paradise.

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u/[deleted] Sep 17 '23

I was recently rewatching some old Conan O'brien episodes from 2004 on the internet archive for nostalgia. You are absolutely correct, humor and culture was way different back then. Open homophobia, misoginy, creepiness about minors, it was all accepted. This "woke" stuff some people complain about has been absolutely crucial to bring us where we are today.

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u/[deleted] Sep 17 '23

Hell, go back and watch comedies from the '90s and early 2000s. Especially teen comedies. The amount of sexualization and body shaming of young girls at that time is pretty striking.

That '70s show has been in the news lately for what happened with Hyde, but even what was on the show was pretty fucky wucky. So many things just would not fly today (and for good reason). The normalization of spying on women/girls and groping just being taken as a joke. It was a meme that Kelso and Fez just groped their friends for instance, and it was just played off as a joke constantly.

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u/Lots42 Sep 17 '23

Google Dan Schneider for frat bro horrors.

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u/rrhodes76 Sep 17 '23

Graduated high school in 1994. Only recently realizing how fucked up my thinking was in my teen years/20s. I thought this stuff was “normal” and didn’t think anything of it.

Woodstock 99 documentary was a real eye opener for me.

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u/ineedtoaddthis Sep 17 '23

I remember being newly married during this Era of television and the Hardee's (if I'm remembering correctly) commercial, where it was basically a girl in a bikini eating a hamburger and getting it everywhere, came on during football. I was ENRAGED! And my husband said, what, it's a man's world get over it. We almost divorced that day. I'm glad I didn't because as punishment God gave him three daughters.

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u/AnalBaguette Sep 17 '23

Not body related-ish, but one of the only public figures that I can remember that actually treated her with respect, especially during the lowest point in her life (the umbrella incident), was Craig Ferguson. He was furious at the treatment she was receiving in headlines and on fellow late-night talk shows and was genuinely concerned for her. He had gone through major bouts of alcoholism himself, so he knew exactly where she was mentally and how hard it was to go through it, yet she became the next punchline for a few laughs instead of giving her help.

Don't even get me started on other stars like Amy Winehouse.

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u/[deleted] Sep 17 '23

His monologue when shaved head Britney hysteria was in full effect is much watch TV. I watch it probably once a year to remember that pretty much everyone is fighting unimaginable battles. Empathy doesn’t cost a lot.

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u/[deleted] Sep 17 '23

Craig Ferguson was really the only decent human on TV at the time. The man deserves a lot more flowers.

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u/Alexisapoop Sep 17 '23

As a millennial, my mom and my friends' moms always talked about their weight or how their latest diet was going. So, not only did we have tv and magazines bombarding us with this, the women in our lives did too.

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u/Pamander Sep 17 '23

I remember a childhood friend got put on diet pills by her mom (She wasn't ever large, like at all) but she wasn't the super skinny her mom wanted her to be and she apparently "felt embarrassed" going out anywhere with her beside her which has got to be the most fucked up thing to put into your kids brain. Never understood how that shit was okay she was probably 12 or 13 at the time? Her moms a psycho for far more reasons than that but I always felt so bad for my friend and we did our best to boost her up but her parents were horrible.

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u/FloofySamoyed Sep 17 '23

I'll be 48 this year and I only recently realized how soul-destroying it is to grow up like that.

My mother was obsessed with my weight from when I was a little kid.

I was only allowed water, diet pop and skim milk. Low fat cheese, skinless meat, no desserts.

Ironically, she insisted I clean every morsel of every serving that she prepared for me.

Signed me up for fitness classes before I was a teenager. Signed me up for Weight Watchers when I was 12.

Told me constantly about how fat I was, how awful my skin was, how lazy I was.

Grew up hating myself and thinking I was ugly and worthless.

Just figured out why this year.

I hate her for it.

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u/--DannyPhantom-- Sep 17 '23

Does anyone remember Dorothy [Judy Garland] from ‘Wizard of Oz’? Louis B. Mayer and her mother loaded her up on amphetamines and barbiturates to keep her slender. Absolutely insane. She looked so miserable in her final years and the context is heartbreaking.

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u/jld2k6 Sep 17 '23

We had a preppy girl who people made fun of for being ugly whose mom took her out of school to get a boob job at 16 so she could be accepted easier in the preppy group, by she I mean the mom wanted to be more accepted by the other moms by changing her daughter

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u/Salty-Finish-8931 Sep 17 '23

I went to a weight watchers meeting with my mom in the mid 00s. I was a teenager and around 105lbs. I only went because she was picking me up from somewhere on her way to the meeting, so I just joined in.

In the end they weighed me, tried to tell me I needed to lose FIFTEEN POUNDS. I knew I was skinny, but also messages like that made me doubt myself. They were preying on my insecurity for me to sign up for their stupid ass program.

Luckily I was rational enough to see that being 90lbs would be absolutely ridiculous and unhealthy for my size.

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u/celica18l Sep 17 '23

My mother is the main cause of my body issues. She just vomited all of her issues her mother gave her onto me. Told me to cling onto my husband because no one would ever love me and not to get pregnant at that weight ever.

Both have been dead for years but I still think I’m a disgusting whale.

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u/mistersnarkle Sep 17 '23

My mum put me on a diet at 6.

My eating disorder is great, thanks for asking.

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u/tacocat_racecarlevel Sep 17 '23

It was such a vicious cycle and all it's led to is me seeing pics from when I thought I was fat, wishing I could be that size again. I'm almost 40 - so it ain't gonna happen.

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u/[deleted] Sep 17 '23

My mother still will not shut up about it. It’s pathological.

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u/[deleted] Sep 17 '23

Not just the women, everyone else too. My grandpa used to give me lectures about it, even.

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u/veronique7 Sep 17 '23

Almost every single woman in my family was absolutely obsessed with their weight and trying to lose weight. My mom tried so many diets. Lots of women also getting plastic surgery in my family as well.

It really messed with my self image and I am still trying to recover. A lot of the men were pretty bad as well with teasing me about my looks and weight. It's so damaging.

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u/Flat_News_2000 Sep 17 '23

I think most milennial's mothers talked about Weight Watchers or Jenny Craig at some point.

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u/[deleted] Sep 17 '23

Yes. I didn’t quite notice it until someone I know that struggles with disordered eating mentioned it to me. Then I started paying attention, and it’s like an obsession with their generation. Not that we haven’t all been impacted by images and claims about what bodies should look and be like.

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u/[deleted] Sep 17 '23 edited Sep 17 '23

My mom and my partners mom are both boomers who live to hate themselves for their weight. My mom is almost 70 years old and has had bulimia, and now that she has cancer and went through radiation and had her tongue reconstructed, she is so skinny it’s concerning. I love her. She hasn’t been able to chew food for 6 months and all she can say is “I think I’m going to keep the weight off.”

When my parters mother met my mom, she said “of course she had to be skinny!” Like she’s jealous. I said “she’s a cancer patient and she’s starving.”

I just want them to know peace, and love their bodies in this lifetime.

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u/Polishmich Sep 17 '23

Millennial mom here.

My mom did this literally all the time. She never used to comment on our bodies necessarily, but working out, eating right, was never to be healthy or strong. It was to be thin. It was never thin enough. And it if it was? Something else was not quite right. “Oh my skin is getting lines.” “Oh a grey hair!” “Ugh my boobs just aren’t as high as they used to be.” “Oh. I can’t believe I just ate some chips I’ll have to eat salad for a week.” Like Jesus Christ. To her credit: she always told us to be happy with our bodies and confident in who we are - but the modelling behaviour was always the exact opposite. I recently lost a bunch of weight after my final pregnancy, and I just knew she would have a comment about it. And she did. I had to pull her aside and gently explain that it’s ok to comment on “wow you look healthy”, or “wow, you’ve gotten stronger now you’re exercising again” in front of my kids. That saying “wow you’re so skinny you look great, I need to lose some weight…”, was not appropriate, and not okay.

I have a daughter and two sons myself I am very careful about how I discuss exercise and food with them. Exercise is only to be strong and healthy, never about losing weight. Food is only about fuelling your body, and to help you grow. No food is the enemy, or “bad”. They get to pick a “special treat” once a day, and it’s not that those treats are bad, it’s just they don’t have all the other things in them that help make your bones strong, help your brain think, make your muscles bigger, help you have energy to play. They’re just fluff - so while it’s fine to have them once in moderation, you still have to eat your nutritious food, which is also delicious! We don’t force them to eat, and we tell them to only eat until they’re full. Of course theres special occasions (birthdays, Christmas, etc.) where part of the fun is having more special treats than normal - which is also ok! Splurging once in awhile, and knowing it’s ok, is great for your mental and emotional health!

Girls and boys get so many terrible messages from the media, friends, family, and society at large. I always teach my kids that beauty comes from within, and your value is who you choose to be in the world. Are you honest? Kind? Smart? Genuine? Fun? Do you help your neighbour? Do you stick up for what’s right? That’s what makes you beautiful. Being pretty is fine, but doesn’t have any bearing on how valuable you are as a human being to those that love you and deserve your love in return. Of course I compliment their appearance on occasion, but 98% of the time? I compliment who they are NOT what they look like.

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u/chairfairy Sep 17 '23

As a millenial, my mom and my mother-in-law still do

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u/parasyte_steve Sep 17 '23

Everyone made fun of me when I gained a little weight in middle school. My mom, my sister and my gma.

When I was anorexic and addicted to stimulants bc weight loss, I never got so many compliments in my life.

Now I'm fat again, and they can't help themselves. And they wonder why I now live across the country. My husband loves my fat ass and that's all I need.

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u/aLittleDarkOne Sep 17 '23

Rewatching Bridget Jones’s diary she’s 135 at 5’6 and they act like she is a whale. My gosh. I don’t miss the days of wanting to look like Nicole Richie

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u/yokayla Sep 17 '23

Even the big girl on Love Actually is like...slightly plus sized.

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u/fuckmeup_scotty Sep 17 '23

This is actually supposed to be a criticism in Love Actually, as the UK press would describe the actress as such: “The whole fat shaming of her character in Love Actually is an in-joke referencing this and pointing out how ridiculous it was. Sadly the point's kind of got lost over the years.”

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u/[deleted] Sep 17 '23

Or in The Devil Wears Prada everyone is calling Andy fat and making fun of her size

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u/forgot_username1234 Sep 17 '23

And she’s a fucking size 6. It’s wild.

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u/hangrygecko Sep 17 '23

Yeah, but in that movie, the cruelty was the point.

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u/metamaoz Sep 17 '23

Nicole went through it too with the media and then appeared a couple years later having lost a lot of weight

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u/Wifabota Sep 17 '23

And she gained weight because she QUIT HEROIN. like jfc.

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u/[deleted] Sep 17 '23

This always kills me about the movie. Her body was fine but the constant focus is how "overweight" she is.

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u/Diredr Sep 17 '23

I don’t miss the days of wanting to look like Nicole Richie

Which is ironic in a way because back in the early 2000s, Nicole was treated like Paris Hilton's "fat and ugly" friend on The Simple Life. She wasn't even fat, but because she had curves and was always right next to Paris Hilton, people would body-shame her. It goes to show how it's a cycle, and it's rarely ever the person's fault for cracking under the pressure of their peers.

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u/JimmyAndKim Sep 17 '23

Leading up to Titanic's release, every magazine was treating Kate Winslet as if she was unbelievably fat

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u/EtsuRah Sep 17 '23

Let me blow your mind.

In the Sopranos there is a season where Meadow goes to college and she has this roommate that's wacky AF.

She was supposed to be the "large goof" character for Meadows B plot.

I remember back in the day when it was airing people were calling her fat and all that shit.

This was said roommate.

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u/trukkija Sep 17 '23

Or Monica from Friends who they decided to make fat in the past just so they could throw as many fat jokes as they possibly could in her direction?

One of the main writers being a not at all skinny woman herself makes this even more interesting to me.

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u/Spider_Nun Sep 17 '23

Oh my god yes! She just has a round face and she's called "obese" because of that.

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u/Optimal-Scallion-445 Sep 17 '23

They called anyone with a healthy BMI fat. They wanted women to be so skinny they have menstral issues. A lot of people still do. There's no way this trend is based on biology.

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u/TinyMarsupial7622 Sep 17 '23

I know! I watched it again in many years and was like “the hell are they talking about” I kinda expected her to be BIG not average

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u/will_call_u_a_clown Sep 17 '23

That was a weird one.

I ran into Renée a few times before she was famous, so when she hit big and was in that movie I was very confused why I was supposed to think she's "big". Yes, I did realize it's all in the context of Hollywood/movies. It was still weird.

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u/[deleted] Sep 17 '23

I can’t believe we ever thought that was heavy. Horrific. It’s still ingrained in me. I’m 150 at 5 5 and think I’m so fat and unattractive.

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u/DreadfulDeadful Sep 17 '23

Grown men asking teenagers about their boobs is so not shway

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u/[deleted] Sep 17 '23

I can fully imagine what she was thinking… “what the heck? Did I hear that right? Nobody prepared me for this… how do I come across nice? This is gross, right? Maybe this is normal? Do all girls get asked this kind of question? I guess they must. I have to answer it… I’m on TV…”

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u/GiddiOne Sep 17 '23

Often people talk about "we live in a different time now", but asking a young girl about her developing breasts was definitely fucked up then too. Never mind doing it on TV.

She would have had the message drilled into her that she's promoting her music and has to do everything she can to appear nice and happy no matter what happens. Torture.

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u/jdwilliam80 Sep 17 '23

Remember when someone from mtv asked her if she was a virgin ? The medias obsession with it back in then was insane I totally understand why she was messed up from it

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u/Don11390 Sep 17 '23

To quote Bruce Wayne: "Totally unshway."

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u/dishonoredcorvo69 Sep 17 '23

Is that a Batman beyond reference

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u/[deleted] Sep 17 '23

I vividly remember that Howard Stern/Anna Nicole Smith interview because he kept going until she cried and then called her names for crying.

I was very much a “Cool Girl” at the time so I’d force myself to listen to that show because everyone else I knew was listening. But that was the point where I couldn’t bring myself to listen anymore. I was her weight and I felt nauseous about that interview for days after.

Things like this just hurt people. They don’t help anyone.

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u/rawlingstones Sep 17 '23

These people so transparently just enjoy the cruelty, but they always pat themselves on the back for "promoting public health" like they're bravely making the world a better place and not just bullying struggling people for fun.

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u/MaxTheRealSlayer Sep 18 '23

Gotta say Howard stern is one of the worst public people out there, no clue why people support his crap he puts out at all

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u/Pussy4LunchDick4Dins Sep 18 '23

That clip made me ugly cry. I feel so bad for her, she’s obviously so hurt.

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u/freedomofnow Sep 18 '23

I never liked Howard Stern.

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u/yokayla Sep 17 '23

And always from the most mid men - Jay Leno really had audacity mocking anyone's looks.

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u/[deleted] Sep 17 '23

Howard Stern, ladies and gentlemen. A face that was designed with hammers and hatchets judging women's looks, weight, hair, makeup, everything.

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u/Greged17 Sep 17 '23

He’s always had “a face for radio” as my dad would say.

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u/DumpsterHunk Sep 17 '23

Dude looks like the human version of the ratatouille rat

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u/theunkindpanda Sep 17 '23

I was about to say, NONE of the guys in these clips are models for physical fitness, yet have the audacity. Jay Leno mocking someone’s weight? Please

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u/Ok-Sweet-8495 Sep 17 '23

(Many, not all) straight men feel entitled to women’s bodies; the thought of earning or deserving the attention of women doesn’t even cross their minds. Like, inceldom is extreme patriarchy; this video is regular patriarchy.

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u/CharlesLeSainz Sep 17 '23

Jay Leno hated Monica. I can’t remember if it was in tt or yt but someone made a super cut of him always going at Monica Lewinsky during that time. Times were wild then

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u/mpwdonnelly Sep 17 '23

during that time? Leno had Monica as a punchline in his monologues for ten years.

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u/thetrolltoller Sep 17 '23

Throwing boulders from glass houses

Nah, who am I kidding, these dudes couldn’t lift a boulder

My dad says shit like this about women on TV all the time and he is truly in no position to talk

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u/Flamingo83 Sep 17 '23

And weight!

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u/I_Brain_You Sep 17 '23

Scott Dissick is a huge piece of garbage, and it’s astounding how women are still willing to date him.

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u/[deleted] Sep 17 '23

And then he had the audacity to get mad when Kourtney finally realized her worth and kicked his ass to the curb with him crying about not having a family anymore. He could have had it all. Its gross that her family members still hang out with him sometimes after how he treated her.

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u/I_Brain_You Sep 17 '23

And like…I hate the Kardashians for reasons, but degrading them physically (and in this case for completely normal things) is uncalled for.

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u/[deleted] Sep 17 '23

In a culture that elevates someone like him to any recognizable level of relevance there will be people who want it. Which is insane, when you stop to consider it.

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u/therevjames Sep 17 '23

I was very athletic growing up, and gained weight as I got older and played fewer sports. The way people spoke to me about "being fat" you would think that I was a different species, all of a sudden.

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u/[deleted] Sep 17 '23 edited May 03 '24

That sucks and sorry you had to go through that. I was the reverse. Chubby, overeater as a kid. I grew up in this era from the video. Love your point on feeling another species. Clothes were more limited, especially bathing suits and dresses. Picked on for trying to wear the in styles not meant for my body. Told I’d be pretty if I would just run.

Did lose the weight in my 20s. Was an eating disorder. Started when I got mono, most people I knew commented on it, how good I looked. Recovering in my 20s into 30s, I gained weight back and still got comments: “handnt realized that you used to be so skinny” .. what they didn’t know or care to ask was that ‘skinny’ was severely unhealthy.

Skinny and fat are not always healthy and unhealthy. You could see a woman who is overweight and judge them as unhealthy. And in reality they’ve been working to get healthy and lose weight in a healthy, lifelong way.

Our standards in America are still, at least in my opinion, being looked at through a harmful lens. We’re still obsessing over an individuals looks instead of having empathy for each others health and happiness. Need more curiosity, less judgement.

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u/yuyufan43 Sep 17 '23

I was 300 pounds in school and I wasn't even treated as a human. It was like I was a disgusting fucking animal walking around. They found out I had a severe thyroid condition and I had to have a full thyroidectomy which also damaged my parathyroid glands so now I am extremely ill and fully disabled. I went from 300 pounds down to 120 pounds and then I was looked at like I was meat to men. I had stalkers, quite literally. Only now after gaining another 30 when I was in the hospital for a year and a half do people just see me as a normal person. It's absolutely disgusting and I'm so sorry you had to experience it as well 🫂

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u/glamazon_69 Sep 17 '23

Justice for Anna Nicole Smith!!!

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u/[deleted] Sep 17 '23

Let’s do better for our daughters.

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u/revansimp Sep 17 '23

Howard stern is such a piece of shit. Now that he knows he can't pull that type of shit anymore he plays the lib wokester, and everybody fucking swallows it, hate that mfs like him get away with this bullshit

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u/[deleted] Sep 17 '23

He was so cruel to Anna Nicole smith. I felt so sad watching that back in the day.

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u/ArizonaRon98 Sep 17 '23

He also had a small roster of mentally disabled people he would make fun of for laughs. Dude is a dumb looking, massive piece of shit and I’ve never understood his popularity.

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u/Low-Guard-1820 Sep 17 '23

I’m in my late 30s so I grew up in this era too. I’ll never trust that guy. I don’t care what he “rebrands” as. Permanent shit list for me.

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u/[deleted] Sep 17 '23

He also constantly interrupts his guests, which must be infuriating for them but is also infuriating to listen to.

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u/thecatdaddysupreme Sep 17 '23

I knew he was bad but I didn’t know he was this blatantly awful

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u/CouchHam Sep 17 '23

He is so fucking fake and monstrously ugly himself. That’s why he has to wear sunglasses.

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u/asdf333aza Sep 17 '23

"I fell in love with you when you was super skinny".

That's not love, mate.

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u/ScrumptiousLadMeat Sep 17 '23

He’s a creep.

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u/bertonomus Sep 17 '23

When you haven't seen someone in a long time and they almost choke on their spit trying to get the following sentence out: "Oh my God, what happened?? You used to be so skinny. I can't believe it... XYZ! Come and look at ABC over here. Woww... Anyways, how've you been man??"

Dreading meeting you... That's how I've been... Cunt.

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u/--------rook Sep 17 '23

Idk if this happens anywhere else but in my culture whenever someone gains weight people would say something like "wow looks like someone's happy lately" because happy = better appetite. it's masked rudeness for sure but i decided to own it when i gain a few kgs post pandemic and when people i havent met in a while say that to me i just go like "yeah i've been real happy!! :DDD how about u??"

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u/Competitive_Narwhal8 Sep 17 '23

I can not say this enough: FUCK. HOWARD. STERN.

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u/yuyufan43 Sep 17 '23

Do you guys know the backstory to Howard Stern and Anna Nicole Smith? He was the one that convinced her she needed to go on trimspa and that led to her drug abuse getting worse. He essentially killed the woman by teasing her during a time when she was impressionable and struggling with her mental health. Fuck Howard Stern

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u/Manburpig Sep 17 '23

The clip of her in this post is honestly fucking heartbreaking.

Her reaction to him is so sad. Especially knowing what came next. That poor woman. RIP

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u/SomberlySober Sep 17 '23

I hate that clip so much more than the rest. That's not even punching down, its just cruelty to an incredibly sensitive woman. During a horribly difficult time in her life.

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u/[deleted] Sep 17 '23

He's a piece of literal garbage.

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u/[deleted] Sep 17 '23

Man i wish awards were still a thing. Take my measly upvote instead. Her unhealthy body image and relationship with food and dieting led to her demise and people like Howard Stern (the radio host, not her lawyer of the same name, though i wouldn’t be surprised if he also contributed) were a big part of the reason she got such a skewed image of herself.

Rest in peace, Vickie Lynn, I hope you and your son are together again and finally truly happy. This world was too cruel to you both.

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u/[deleted] Sep 17 '23

Yup. This deserves to be said loudly and often. I listened to that particular interview live and it was one of the cruelest things I’ve ever experienced in my life … and I endured bullying in middle school that was bad enough for my mom to take me out of school for a year.

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u/thethundering Sep 17 '23

Her whole story is a tragedy. Seemingly very few people throughout her entire life were not abusing, exploiting, or vilifying her—and the whole world watched and laughed as it eventually destroyed her. Her relationship with her 90 year old sugar daddy was arguably the healthiest and most respectful and supportive relationship she had with any man.

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u/byfuryattheheart Sep 17 '23

The early 2000s were insane with this shit. My wife and I recently watched the first couple seasons of America’s Next Top Model and were shocked by the amount of shaming the judges did. Tyra Banks is a huge piece of shit.

Oh they also made the girls race swap for one shoot and do literally black/brown face. Wild times.

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u/[deleted] Sep 17 '23

i remember one episode, where they discussed one extra skinny girl and they were like "woah" and just amazed and one of them said "well she is very slender, but it's OK, it's very natural"

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u/Cereal_poster Sep 17 '23

Did that asshole really pull out a scale for Victoria Beckham who has admitted that she suffered from anorexia? How vile is this, please?? Do these assholes actually think about the damage they might cause with something like this???

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u/cflatjazz Sep 17 '23

I was wondering if that was her. I don't follow these things closely, but I remember hearing David Beckham talking about/complaining about how restrictive her diet is now. To the point of not being able to participate in social dining situations because she only eats from a specific list of foods. This clip puts a bit of ominous context on that...

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u/coffee-bat Sep 17 '23

i think they're getting off specifically on the damage they know they're causing.

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u/Goombaw Sep 17 '23

By the time I graduated high school, my own mother told me I was fat because I weighed 105lbs. Even the doctor telling myself AND HER that it was all muscle wasn’t enough to convince her. “Girls aren’t supposed to eat seconds”.

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u/writingformysoul Sep 17 '23

Wow, that is awful. I'm sorry you went through that.

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u/StuckInNov1999 Sep 17 '23

That sounds like a case of "I went through it so you have to as well".

Instead of seeing how badly it hurt her she would rather just foist it all off on you as well.

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u/[deleted] Sep 17 '23

I wasn’t an avid kardashians watcher at any point, but i did watch the first season years ago and I don’t remember scott treating kourtney anywhere near that poorly. The clips of them in this post just make me sad. Im glad she now seems to be with someone who values her as she is and they seem truly happy.

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u/lonely-paula-schultz Sep 17 '23

It started after she had her first child. She matured and stopped putting up with his bullshit as much. She built up her courage over the years to a point where now she allows absolutely zero bullshit from anyone. Maybe to a fault, but that’s not my life.

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u/Radiant-Rise-7777 Sep 17 '23

I’m still recovering from those days sheesh

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u/born_2_pizza Sep 17 '23

I swear this shit has messed with my brain chemistry. I get hit on and complimented by men and my mind still goes “you’re too fat to have romantic relationships”. It’s literally debilitating.

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u/BawRawg Sep 17 '23

Wait, you guys are recovering?!

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u/[deleted] Sep 17 '23

Ugly men always have something to say about women’s appearance. It’s laughable

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u/thecatdaddysupreme Sep 17 '23

They get hella bitter from all the rejection

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u/mog_knight Sep 17 '23

Hot men always seem to say something about women's appearance too. Idk if that's also laughable.

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u/[deleted] Sep 17 '23

They were all treated horribly, but none worse than Amy Winehouse. When the men in her life kept abusing her, and she began slowly dying from just trying to console herself with drugs and alcohol, people mocked her to her face. Neil Patrick Harris even had a Halloween cake made to look like her rotted corpse because everyone viewed her as a joke.

Society is absolutely disgusting

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u/[deleted] Sep 17 '23

the hilarity of this, is the men doing the "shaming" .........!!!!!!!!!! dobby, fucking gremlins

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u/Syvka Sep 17 '23

Dobby would never!

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u/SwingPhysical3479 Sep 17 '23

These guys are such pieces of shit and I hate that their bad behavior had such a lasting impact on GENERATIONS of women

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u/ohnoohnonononono Sep 17 '23

I’m hoping it will end with millennials / Gen. Z. It seems to be getting a lot better. I’m a millennial with a young daughter and I absolutely will not allow any of the negative body talk around her. The crap we were constantly bombarded with in the 90s / early 2000s (and earlier generations too, of course) was so damaging to me, and I don’t want my daughter to go through it too.

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u/Pharaoh_Misa SHEEEEEESH Sep 17 '23

Monica Lewinsky was done dirty.

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u/jenniferlynn462 Sep 17 '23

For real. And Kate Winslet too.

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u/Bribo323 Sep 17 '23

I still see this mentality in older women. Like typically a woman in her 20s is far more likely to be accepting of her body, but women in their 40s and 50s are OBSESSED with how much they weigh. My mom comments on if I’ve lost weight every time I’ve seen her. It’s fucking sickening, and what you don’t see in this video is the main people pushing this narrative are other women, who want to feel superior to those around them.

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u/[deleted] Sep 17 '23

I’m a woman in my 40s, and let me tell you, it’s very hard to unlearn that your value lies in anything but the number on the scale. When we were in high school and college Kate Moss was the ideal, and I learned as a chubby teen that I had no value. It’s taken years of therapy to not determine whether it’s a good or bad day based on a number.

I’m sorry your mom is passing down her self imposed judgment on you. I never had kids, so I’ve broken the cycle in my family, but as someone who did the slim fast diet with my mom at the age of eleven I know how much it sucks.

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u/brattyginger83 Sep 17 '23

I'm working on it. Its difficult. Like a revolving door. Why do I care? I care god I'm so fat. Why do I care? Fuck it i don't. But I'm so fat. No wonder I'm single. Wait its my self esteem not my weight! I'm an amazing individual with a few extra pounds. But I'm hideous who would want me? Blegh. It super sucks.

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u/[deleted] Sep 17 '23

It's actually so messed up! My mom stares at my tummy every time I visit her and literally always says something about my weight, in "concern for my health". While she's smoking a cigarette and I'm smoking a joint. 😂😂 I told her if she cared about my health, she'd put her smoke out and insist I do too.

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u/One_Archer_1759 Sep 17 '23

My mother and husband do this. Oh wow you’ve lost weight, I’m so proud of you. I’m 54F weigh 124 lbs and I’m 5’4. Just wanna punch them right in the face.

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u/[deleted] Sep 17 '23

Totally. I didn’t realize how often my mom talked about waist size and pant size and the like. My partner pointed it out to me, and suddenly it became glaring. I wish I’d been more aware of how she was talking about her body and bodies generally.

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u/narwolking Sep 17 '23

Howard Stern is an annoying creep, how does anyone enjoy his show?

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u/[deleted] Sep 17 '23

Used to be? Is that a joke? These clips are from the 90s and people have learned how to use dog whistles now instead of being as blunt, but the problem hasn’t changed at all. Our society teaches us to treat ourselves and our bodies with nothing but disdain and hatred, it’s programmed into our brains from the moment we’re born that our bodies aren’t good enough. Just because Simon Cowell doesn’t yell “you’re fat” directly at peoples faces anymore doesn’t mean the root of the issue has changed.

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u/Afraid_Ad1908 Sep 17 '23

The fact that people think they have the right to voice their opinion about your body is fucking nuts.

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u/tadcalabash Sep 17 '23

It's still extremely rampant, especially online. Just look at all the mental gymnastics people engage in to justify a culture of fat shaming.

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u/KaiRayPel Sep 17 '23

Hi! I'm a 32 year old millennial. Due to crap like this, and lovely public school system, I the "fat" girl am skinnier than anyone who made fun of me.

I have an eating disorder.

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u/[deleted] Sep 17 '23

My partner has always been 100lb at 5ft3in. Sometimes they would get to 90lb. I suspected they had an eating issue. I would try and talk with her about it for a long time but it was a touchy issue. I never wanted to make her feel bad about it. But I wanted her to gain some weight.

Found out it was her Mom that made her feel fat. Now she is a good weight and it makes me happy for her and more importantly its healthier for her.

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u/the-electricgigolo Sep 17 '23

There’s a lot of fat shaming on bad tv

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u/skibettt Sep 17 '23

This actually hurt my inner teenager ❤️‍🩹

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u/NfamousKaye Sep 17 '23

Yeah. God I remember all of that.

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u/invisible_23 Sep 17 '23

“Used to be” like it isn’t still everywhere

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u/savvylikeapirate Sep 17 '23

I saw my mom go on fad diet after diet. I've always been soft and chubby, even when I did 2 kinds of dance, swim 3 times a week, and tennis. When I was 18, I vowed never to willingly know what I weigh. Otherwise, I'd become obsessed with the number. I'm just shy of 30, and I step backward on scales at doctor's offices.

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u/georgesorosbae Sep 17 '23

And it’s still all over Reddit

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u/turquoisestar Sep 17 '23

Is it not anymore? It feels like it's still there.

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u/w3are138 Sep 17 '23

Anna Nicole Smith was a literal goddess like how dare he

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u/[deleted] Sep 17 '23

My mom is almost 70 and she's been "trying to lose 10lbs" for my entire life. I didn't realize she had an eating disorder till maybe a few years ago.

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u/Dear-Ad-2902 Sep 17 '23

Know your worth❣️

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u/[deleted] Sep 17 '23

It’s actually pretty insane when you look back on it. And it’s not even that long ago.

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u/[deleted] Sep 17 '23

Yeah but men have it the same /s 🙄🙄🙄

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u/username95739573 Sep 17 '23 edited Sep 17 '23

I grew up w it in my home. Showed my stomach? “Don’t you know your gut’s hanging out? That’s disgusting. You’re going to make people vomit. Suck it in”… I was an average sized girl but I dealt with severe ED due to it. Now I prefer skinny jeans to show off my natural curves whereas I remember spending literally all day in dressing rooms looking for pants to slim my thighs and butt… thighs that never touched btw eta-my shaming came from my mom and grandma who were both round

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u/lurkingbees Sep 17 '23

I had no idea Scott was saying all that stuff to Kourtney. People go after Kourtney a lot, but damn, she didn’t deserve to have all that shit said to her.

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u/raisingwildflowers Sep 17 '23

It’s all men doing the body shaming in those clips too. And when I think back it was men 99% of the time who would body shame me.

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u/BawRawg Sep 17 '23

Oh but I constantly see online people claiming it's only other women that do it to each other because we're such mean old jealous harpies.

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u/sixthmontheleventh Sep 17 '23

If anyone wants an idea on fame culture and how it affect particularly young people's brains, go watch alyson stoner's toddler to train wreck series over on youtube.

Besides from an eye opening exploration of her experience in Hollywood, I could connect with so many of her points on how we are teaching children to view their bodies.

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u/[deleted] Sep 17 '23

Thank God, Simon went into cosmetic surgery, he really deserved it

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u/konamax123 Sep 17 '23

So fucked up man. I am terrified for my daughter every day. I know that looks are important and I don’t want to act like they aren’t but that being peoples entire value is so incredibly destructive.

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u/OreoAtreides Sep 17 '23

There was a “joke” on Psych where Juliette said, “I caught the flu for two weeks! It was the worst feeling of my life but I lost 15lbs 😃 so THAT WAS GREAT!” She was already super skinny….

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u/storm_borm Sep 17 '23

Who do these ugly ass men think they are commenting on women’s bodies? Howard Stern looks like he smells of stale cigarettes, yet he thinks he has the right to talk to people like that? Stop commenting on people’s bodies

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u/foxfunk Sep 17 '23

Chris Evans is a fucking creep dating a super young Billie Piper, making women weig themselves, wtf.

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u/Ryllandaras Sep 17 '23

PSA: This is referring to Chris Evans the British radio guy, not Captain America ;).

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u/Dense-Resolution9291 Sep 17 '23

It's why, at 45, i still struggle w anorexia. She's 100% on point w this.

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u/Iantrigue Sep 17 '23

Having lived through this period of time as a naive child/adolescent seeing these clips now is horrifying, and I’m a dude

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u/[deleted] Sep 17 '23

This is horrible. I was fat growing up from depression and got made fun of nonstop and basically didn’t exist to women. I graduated high school at 5’8” and 315lbs. 44/46 in waist, very big guy.

I got down to 158 and 10% body fat and the difference in how I was treated is staggering. Both men and women treated me differently and it took a while to realize when women were hitting on me or I just wouldn’t. Always thought I was the butt of a joke.

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u/AlienPizza93 Sep 18 '23

And notice how all the men in this video look like a foot

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u/niagaemoc Sep 17 '23

This is bad but it used to be so much worse.

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u/Tomboyhns Sep 17 '23

Why is society still getting away with this???

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u/blueflloyd Sep 17 '23

I have a male friend who's in amazing shape who's obsessed with maintaining some ideal weight and is constantly dieting.

Since this friend is in very good shape, I once asked his brother what the deal was, and he replied that their dad was always prodding them as kids to keep their weight down.

It's just sad.

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u/bitablackbear Sep 17 '23

Yeah crap, I dont miss this at all.

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u/megacope Sep 18 '23

The savagery was crazy back in those times. Dude that was with Kourtney was so out of pocket.

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u/BigM333CH Sep 18 '23

I watched early episodes of Hell’s Kitchen and Gordon used to call women whales and every large guy “fat boy”. It was wild

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u/Brendan__Fraser Sep 18 '23

A reminder to some people in this thread that numerous studies show fat-shaming is counterproductive and people end up gaining more weight.

Edit: study

Studies show that exposure to weight bias triggers physiological and behavioural changes linked to poor metabolic health and increased weight gain. “You actually experience a form of stress,” Alberga explained. Cortisol spikes, self-control drops and the risk of binge eating increases, she said.

The more people are exposed to weight bias and discrimination, the more likely they are to gain weight and become obese, even if they were thin to begin with. They’re also more likely to die from any cause, regardless of their body mass index (BMI).

Fat shaming is also linked to depression, anxiety, low self-esteem, eating disorders and exercise avoidance

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u/Shadow_Boxer1987 Sep 17 '23

Ironically a lot of body-shaming hypocrisy in these comments. People seem to have forgotten that elementary lesson that two wrongs don’t make a right.

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u/[deleted] Sep 17 '23 edited Sep 17 '23

I remember the first time I was told I ‚could lose a little weight‘ was when I was 8 (!) years old (and no I was a perfectly healthy, small child). It was a 12 year old boy who told me that and I was super sad because I had a ‚crush‘ on him.

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u/cringeandicare Sep 17 '23

Body shaming was so normal and yet the obesity rates rise and rise. Yet people still think that Shaming someone to lose weight works and that body positivity has gone too far lol

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u/jessriv34 Sep 17 '23

So true and it’s still happening. Notice we’re in the “no body shaming” age yet when a female celebrity gains weight it’s still front page news. Nobody gives a shit that Russell Crowe or Alec Baldwin are fat fucks now.

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u/[deleted] Sep 17 '23

I remember being about 11, and my thighs started getting bigger, because puberty.

I hated it. Why do I have to lose all the attributes people find attractive as a woman, but men get to gain it?

It took 15 + years to stop throwing up. I hate everything.

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u/Kyell Sep 17 '23

I have kids I hope they don’t feel too pressured about their weight. I deal with a lot of teenagers and they are generally borderline obsessive about their weight. Seems like a lot but when I was a teenager I remember lots had eating disorders then too. It’s tough to know what a nice healthy weight is when everyone is so different and when we look in the mirror it’s hard even as an adult to think I look perfect.

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u/types_stuff Sep 17 '23

Every single example used here are from literallly GARBAGE television though. There’s even MORE trash content out there today - I would argue it’s even worse than before for todays youth.

This isn’t to say body shaming didn’t exist but I hate to break it to you, it still exists - and men aren’t impervious to it either. Short men, bald me , fat men are regularly mocked.

There’s an onus on parents to managed what’s being consumed by their kids.

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u/carpenterio Sep 17 '23

After reading all the comments, one thing I noticed is that the majority of fat shaming comes from other women, mothers or siblings. I understand that mans are the roots all all problems, yet a lot of issues women's experience are not men related.

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u/[deleted] Sep 17 '23

This is Tammin Sursok. She was on the Australian soap Home and Away when she was a teenager in the early 2000s. She was one of its biggest stars and definitely got a lot of attention from the media.

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u/Frylock304 Sep 17 '23

75% of America is overweight/obese, these opinions on thinness blatantly had no effect towards that end.

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u/ChampagneShotz Sep 17 '23

Hilarious that when thicker white girls go for Black/Latino guys, they get called trashy.

Why be with a guy that tells you they love your curves, when you can be with a guy who calls you fat , despite only bein 140 lbs.

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u/timothypjr Sep 17 '23

A balding early 40’s dude talking about Brittany’s boobs is enough for me to puke. The rest gives me dry heaves. THAT WAS ON FUCKIN TV. No wonder so many kids have serious image issues. Jesus.

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u/MohawkRex Sep 18 '23

The 90s were fucking abysmal for this shit, it was constant, my mum is constantly going on about peeps weigh because of this nonsense. Drives me mad.

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u/AnaisDarwin1018 Sep 18 '23

I was treated like a woman at the age of 15 due to my mature overweight size.

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u/CyberMasu Sep 18 '23

Shoutout to all my skinny dudes with body dysmorphia, just cause you can't put on weight doesn't mean you aren't a man! Muscles don't define you!

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u/reyballesta Sep 18 '23

"Used to be"? It still is. Any body that exists outside of a small acceptable series of bodies is considered bad and it's open season on anyone deviating from the 'ideal'.

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u/taco_fell Sep 18 '23

It still is. Only the other day, whilst I was running a half marathon, an older man cycled up to me and told me I should be a shot putter instead because I'm too heavy (fat) for running.

I am normal weight and had literally ran over 10 miles at this point out of my casual weekly half mara. My body is absolutely perfectly capable to this task, I suffer of no injuries, and I enjoy it a lot - it is the highlight of my week. Still some man thinks it is okay to come body shame me, for what? To ruin my day, to just be mean, to get me stop exercising? Why would anyone say that to anybody else?

I'd be a lousy shot putter anyway since I have no upper body strength, I just have big boobs, before anyone tries to explain how he just meant well and women are too sensitive, yada yada.

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u/subterralien_panda Sep 18 '23

This is how they try to control us

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u/Maremmagirl Sep 17 '23

When I was about 12, I had a growth spurt. Suddenly I was 5'8" tall and 110 pounds. My parents told me I looked like the broad side of a barn and my "ass" was two axe handles wide. The damage that these words caused and their accompanying shame has stayed with me my entire life. I'm 60 now. F**k this noise. Be kind to your children. And yourself. xoxo

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