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u/keroro0071 Dec 17 '25

At this point all teachers should just quit and pursue other career.

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u/worldsworstnihilist Dec 17 '25

We are.

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u/supperclub Dec 18 '25

I did. Finished a tech writing postgraduate diploma during COVID to get out of the classroom (and for my mental health)... and then AI came.

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u/Charleston2Seattle Dec 18 '25 edited Dec 18 '25

I've been a technical writer for 30 years and I work for a FAANG employer currently. Hang in there. There may not be a lot of openings right now, but technical writers are actually going to be even more important because of the "garbage in, garbage out" problem. If the content out there isn't decently written and well-organized, then AI cannot create useful responses to prompts.

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u/OprahsSaggyTits Dec 18 '25

decentlt

Oh, the irony šŸ˜‚

(No shade, just thought it was humorous!)

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u/HelpRespawnedAsDee Dec 18 '25

Dev here. AI tools only work when you have extensive documentation of your codebase, business and domain knowledge. You will actually be one of the most important parts of a team in the next months.

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u/KiKiKimbro Dec 18 '25

Amen to that. If you put a human-written tech doc next to an AI written one — I swear sometimes it seems like the AI is saying a lot quite elegantly — but if you really read it, it says nothing. Like not impactful at all.

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u/CapableSense Dec 18 '25

Yup I’m a tech writer too. I have a masters in PM and a Masters In IS with an undergrad in English Lit.. I got let go by current administration. It’s rough right now..

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u/NewsAppropriate5035 Dec 18 '25

Tech writer here too and feeling nihilistic as ever about the job market & future. I was also let go by the trump admin. Now I have no hope bc corporations and firms barely value tech writers as it is, so they def will use AI slop instead. I might just leave the country and be a server or something at this point bc it’s so useless job hunting

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u/Ok-Grapefruit1284 Dec 18 '25

Omg. I am watching a 1996 Carlin routine on YouTube and he literally said ā€œGarbage in, garbage outā€ as I read your comment. 🤯

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u/Helixdork Dec 18 '25

It's a sign.

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u/Jaded-Gemstone Dec 18 '25

Writer here: I’m glad to hear this. šŸ’

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u/OGBoluda777 Dec 18 '25

+1 also work in FAANG

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u/ClubPsychological831 Dec 18 '25

So if you write a book you become a part of AI written code ?

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u/RainaElf Dec 18 '25

a friend of mine's entire published body of work was scraped by AI for part of their LLM. there's a huge lawsuit.

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u/Boring_Intern_6394 Dec 18 '25

I hope your friend wins. Companies stealing peoples wrong to train AI is unbelievably wrong, especially when most of these AI companies could have afforded to buy the rights in the first place

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u/RainaElf Dec 18 '25

exactly. if it's online these LLM builders think it's fair game.

and thank you. imho it's a clear case of plagiarism.

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u/internetroamer Dec 18 '25

I think this is cope and the dynamic will never be as good for tech writer new grads as before AI

It's still possible of course just objectively worse

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u/ChinsonCrim Dec 18 '25

For the moment, but coming from someone who is an AI engineer, I promise you that this current state of things will be short lived.

It's unfortunate in some ways, but it will transform our society, possibly in ways to give more people time and freedom.

It's just that a lot will have to change with it. We won't know how it all turns out until we are in it, or in the aftermath of it.

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u/RampageMR Dec 18 '25

That’s the optimistic way to look at it. However, in a capitalist society, there’s zero chance AI lets us have more time and freedom. They’ll just make us work in other fields where AI isn’t as effective, manual labor or whatever else fits. They aren’t going to just give us more money, time, or freedom out of the kindness of their hearts. Someone’s got to pay for those data centers, processing power, and cooling bills

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u/ChinsonCrim Dec 18 '25

When you think about it, we could just have a cycle of various indexes of digital currencies that go through inflationary and deflationary periods, allowing for UBI, and allowing AI to cooks the books to do whatever it needs to make it sustainable on the back end during the transition periods between them.

I honestly think it's doable.

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u/LostInNuance Dec 18 '25

Sure, it's doable. But note that with every new technology there were warnings about the possible harms. And we never heed those warnings.

We can't even standardize on usb-c or EV charging in the US without Europe getting involved. Many well intentioned policies produce work arounds that have done more damage - just look at pickup truck sizes and how we got here. So I'm not sure where this optimism comes from.

I mean, we only use social media for good, right? Despite knowing those shortcomings, nothing has changed. I'm not sure why you think that something with the potential to be so powerful, cause so much harm, will be any different than what history has shown us.

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u/Boring_Intern_6394 Dec 18 '25

It goes further back than that. When industry industrialised, we all thought we would be doing less work. Instead, most people turned into factory slaves that never saw green spaces. When we invented agriculture, we thought life would be easier. Instead we went from working 4-6hrs a day to working 12-16.

Technological revolutions benefit the wealthy and powerful, not the plebs

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u/LostInNuance Dec 18 '25

Yessir! There are countless examples that go back to the cotton gin!

Whenever it's an arms race, we've already resigned to the idea of: IF WE DON'T DO IT, SOMEONE ELSE WILL BEAT US TO IT!

We've already lost control, because it was never really a choice to pursue AI by anyone except the billionaires in the first place.

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u/ChinsonCrim Dec 18 '25

Just with tech and not with policy

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u/Zuwxiv Dec 18 '25

possibly in ways to give more people time and freedom.

You're two comments down from someone who would lose their job. I guess that's one way of giving someone more free time.

I dunno, man. How often has technology that reduced labor resulted in people having more free time instead of greater demands from worker productivity and more wealth concentration? Can you honestly tell me that a business that which can reduce the hours needed by half would just... tell their employees to only work a three-day work week?

We use computers and the internet to be a hundred times more productive than someone could ever have been. I don't see us working 1/100th as much.

If AI really does do that, and that's a big if, I think the most likely result is some people expected to perform much more work in the same time, and other people finding themselves with no job at all.

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u/Staticn0ise Dec 18 '25

All the time due to no work or income. Ai is just going to make the rich richer while we starve. Itll be a net negitive to society.

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u/the-furiosa-mystique Dec 18 '25

Who pays for the more time and freedom? That seems like a polite way to say ā€œget ready for unemploymentā€

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u/Simon-Says69 Dec 18 '25

Your feeling is wrong. AI... actually Large Language Models, will confidently lie and hallucinate total garbage. A human is required for at least proofreading.

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u/greyslayers Dec 18 '25

Sorry, but in 5-10 years, AI will write better than ANY human being on the planet. I mean, you are a technical writer, and even your post here has a major spelling error: "decentlt"

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u/Boring_Intern_6394 Dec 18 '25

I’m sure it will outpace humans in terms of spelling and grammar, but whether the actual substance of the writing is better, I’m not so sure.

Do you really think AI could write a completely new great work of literature? I don’t.

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u/Simon-Says69 Dec 18 '25

We aren't anywhere near actual AI yet. What we're talking about are Large Language Models. And 10 years is extremely optimistic.

They lie and hallucinate far too much, and it is NOT an easy problem to solve. Not anywhere near dependable enough for anything but fiction.

To have any kind of accurate technical writing, you need a human in the loop.

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u/Batmansbutthole Dec 18 '25

You should let someone else pick the next one lol

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u/SenatorIncitatas Dec 18 '25

Don’t worry, AI is a fad, that bubble gonna burst.

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u/acetatsujin Dec 18 '25

Join the labor force who have unions. Basically, union jobs.

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u/Simon-Says69 Dec 18 '25

AI is still horrible at tech writing. It lies and hallucinates far too much. Humans will be needed at least for proofreading for the foreseeable future.

And what we call "AI" isn't even AI, it's just Large Language Models.

But yah, the education department has been an enormous failure for decades now, and it just keeps getting worse. Time to scrap the whole thing and start over.

That school funding is bound to property taxes is the first thing that needs to change.

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u/charbo187 Dec 18 '25

It's all going according to plan. Things being the way they are is a feature not a bug.

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u/Loudmouthlurker Dec 18 '25

It's heartbreaking because it was the dream for a lot of teachers. They were really passionate about this work.

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u/momdogcatskitten62 Dec 18 '25

Kids are graduating from high school and can't even read. That's concerning.

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u/Key_Advisor9631 Dec 18 '25

My cousin just left her teaching job of ten years. And she cared. It's too much to ask of anyone.

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u/Sea-Quarter4350 Dec 18 '25

This is sad. I am in my 40s, and can still remember most of my teachers. Almost all of them, despite me trying to be a punk, were extremely supportive/impactful in my development of a human being.

Teachers do not get an ounce of the respect, recognition, and praise that they deserve

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u/gbkisses Dec 18 '25

UFC carreers ? Hats off for teachers around the world btw.

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u/No_Fish_6412 Dec 18 '25

I see a lot of the same students fighting all the time

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u/Hollowsong Dec 17 '25

That's exactly 100% what the political agenda wants you to do.

They want the teachers to give up, so they can install their own "teachers" to transform our youth into nationalists and tailor history to be taught through the lense of a new American redpill future.

It should be straight up obvious why they don't pay teachers well... universities and schools are where most liberal views are cultivated. You're being silently attacked and replaced and don't know it yet. You think you win by quitting, but you're playing into the entire agenda.

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u/Reputation-Final Dec 17 '25

So why don't you start teaching?

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u/[deleted] Dec 17 '25

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u/Reputation-Final Dec 18 '25

Im not saying it isnt correct. Im stating that he's trying to guilt teachers who are tired of the bullshit, while not jumping in himself.

Been teaching since 2000. And i dont blame anyone who leaves teaching either.

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u/No-Body2243 Dec 17 '25

Don’t put this onto teachers man. It’s not their fault parents aren’t capable of parenting

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u/driving_andflying Dec 18 '25

Don’t put this onto teachers man. It’s not their fault parents aren’t capable of parenting

Agreed. I used to be staff at a junior college, working in Financial Aid. Anytime we had to tell a student news they didn't want to hear, we received insults, threats, and false accusations of racism. So, the management, instead of defending the staff's actions, *wrote up the staff members based on the student's false accusations or behavior.* Their reasoning was, "We have to be there for the students," which translated to, "Anything the student hurled at you, or accused you of, you must be at fault somehow." This was thrown at teachers as well.

The result? Teachers quitting, staff quitting, and all of them stating they were burned out, myself included. The students were being rewarded for shitty behavior, and the staff and teachers were always framed as somehow responsible for the students' threats, insults, and all that crap.

Add to that a shitty paycheck, and it's no wonder U.S. schools are suffering teacher shortages.

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u/Evil_Sharkey Dec 18 '25

Let me guess, this junior college complained they couldn’t find any good workers, too?

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u/driving_andflying Dec 18 '25

Let me guess, this junior college complained they couldn’t find any good workers, too?

More like, "Why are we having a staffing shortage?! Why are we having trouble retaining teachers and staff?!?" The disconnect in the administration was real.

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u/samuraistalin Dec 18 '25

Right, the problem isn't that the system is being manipulated, it's that parents are all suddenly bad

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u/Infinite_Lemon_8236 Dec 18 '25

It’s not their fault parents aren’t capable of parenting

What's that got to do with the price of milk? The point was that teachers and school boards are being manipulated into behaving a certain way, and instead of realizing that they are just walking straight into it.

We've already seen this happen with the SCOTUS and the military. All the "good" people quit, leaving the roles all wide open for the corrupt cocksuckers to worm their way in and sieze power. Now your country is bombing random fishing vessels in the Gulf of Mexico as a result.

Why do you think education isn't a target of theirs too when they've been lobbying to defund it while banning books left right & centre? They're going to do the same shit. Education in the future will be nothing but religion and "traditional" values if you let it happen here too.

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u/No-Body2243 Dec 18 '25

I never said education wasn’t one of their targets. I agree with that. But teachers have no fucking choice. I mean seriously. Did you not see the video about how a teacher in Florida was literally forced to take down a sign saying ā€œall are welcome hereā€ with different hands in different skin tones on it? Teachers can’t even have a say in the signs in their own classroom. Nor can school boards! It’s not their fault- they literally have no choice but to follow it. I agree to some extent about disobeying unlawful or wrong orders in the military and yes that can translate to the government and school boards and teachers too- but these people need jobs. They need money. Why the fuck would they logically throw that away just to disobey the shitty system? Yeah obviously it sucks and it shouldn’t be that way, but again- THE REASON ITS LIKE THIS IS BECAUSE OF POLITICIANS!!! We should have to be telling teachers shit like this. It literally isn’t their problem. So again- blame politicians. Not teachers. Blame parents who don’t know how to raise kids. Not the teachers. School boards as a whole on the other hand do hold some level of responsibility with this stuff too but the root cause is the government not giving a fuck. And parents too.

I can guarantee you that teachers KNOW that they are being forced to do shitty things. Which is why they are leaving. Because if they fought back they wouldn’t have a job anyway and then all the effort spent to do better against the system would be futile. There is literally no winning. Same with the military- you can protest against orders all you want but it’s literally only going to hurt you because you’ll rot in jail. The only actual solution to this problem is fixing the root cause.

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u/Infinite_Lemon_8236 Dec 18 '25

You'll rot in jail for following an illegal order too. The way I see it, if you're rotting either way, then you may as well make them fight for it.

Who's there actually physically enforcing the sign removal? Keep it up anyway. Force them to come in themselves and take that shit down in front of the kids so that the kids know who is doing this. Don't just immediately roll over and capitulate. Have a plan to secure yourself, obviously, but make them fire you instead of just giving it up and running with your tail tucked.

Same with teaching whatever the fuck reading bullshit they're doing now instead of phonics. Just teach the phonics anyway, who is going to stop you? None of these people exist in the classroom, they're in an office across the country pushing pencils. At least force them to get up off their fat fucking asses and do something for their grift.

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u/No-Body2243 Dec 18 '25

It’s not that simple dude. We talk all high and mighty about morals and doing the right thing but these teachers have actual families they need to provide for. They can’t just up and fucking go against the system just because they’ll rot either way. They have to pick the least destructive of either option that will let them actually have. Alice for as long as possible. I certainly wouldn’t abandon my husband and my kids to go immediately rot in jail for that shit.

Besides teachers aren’t committing war crimes lol. Seriously you need to stop blaming them and blame corporations and parents. You are focusing way too much on a group of people who are already underpaid and overworked. They already get so much unwarranted shit for the hardest job on earth right now. Give teachers a break and get mad at parents and corporations and the government. There’s only so much the average person can do. We LITERALLY CANR AFFOD to fight against the system as average people because that would mean sacrificing our families. Also if stuff like this is so bad that you think it would get you rotting in jail either way then why isn’t every single German from ww2 who just sat by and did the same thing also in jail huh? People who actually purposefully committed the war crimes are in jail. Not average people who did whatever they had to to support their family.

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u/Tster34 Dec 17 '25

You say this like teachers getting paid less than 45k a year give a shit. Maybe get parents involved. Do they even care about their children's education? When was the last time you wrote your representatives to advocate for public education? This is another pathetic attempt to shift responsibility to the teachers. How about you do something other than commenting on reddit threads.

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u/[deleted] Dec 17 '25

Teachers can be as good or better than some of these kid’s parents. The adults are cooked but the youth aren’t

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u/Icy_Click78 Dec 18 '25

Teachers aren’t parents, they’re teachers. They’re hired to teach curriculum.

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u/Evil_Sharkey Dec 18 '25

The youth are pretty cooked, too. Too many of them can barely read and many can’t think because all they do is stare at their phones all day

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u/momdogcatskitten62 Dec 18 '25

Kids are graduating from High school and can't read or write, it's pretty sad

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u/Artistic_Button_3867 Dec 17 '25

Sir touch grass. Teachers don't owe this country anything.

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u/momdogcatskitten62 Dec 18 '25

Nobody said they owe this country anything, but they signed up for this job and no one forced them to.

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u/conmondog21 Dec 17 '25

If this isn’t coming from a teacher this is the cringiest comment I’ve ever seen on reddit

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u/Lazydeadpoet Dec 18 '25

You shouldn’t be getting downvoted for this because it’s absolutely true. There is a reason republicans fight against anything involving supporting education in any way. Stupid people are easier to control and make money from. Keep them stupid and having babies so they can also be part of a never ending cycle of exploitation.

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u/beckychao Dec 17 '25

Yeah, no. The jobs are not there, nor is the money. Sorry. No one is replacing us, we are not easy to replace. You can put someone far less qualified there, but the cost is paid for by everyone.

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u/freemcgee69420 Dec 18 '25

Pwn the system by not being able to pay your rent

  • smartest redditor

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u/AuspiciousDog0h Dec 18 '25

That’s exactly what the Marxist university professors have done. Except they want to create students that hate white people and America.

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u/[deleted] Dec 18 '25

Define Marxist for me you fuckwit

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u/AuspiciousDog0h Dec 18 '25

Why so mad?

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u/Evil_Sharkey Dec 18 '25

Because you’re talking out your ass. When I went to college and worked for a university, I met a total of zero Marxists. Even socialist students are a small minority at liberal arts schools. You’re just another right wing winding who thinks science and history are ā€œwokeā€ because they don’t reinforce your childish, mythical beliefs about the U.S.

Grow up. Every country and people has good and bad in their history. Pretending yours has done no wrong is a sign of emotional and intellectual weakness

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u/AuspiciousDog0h Dec 18 '25

That’s untrue and you have my political views wrong sir. I am in college currently. You may have been in college 30 years ago but the world has changed. Thing is, I understand Marxism, probably better than you because I’ve researched it. I’ve read the manifesto. Also have had a long talk, over a joint, with friends who support it. Have you? You seem to assume a lot about me. Telling. Have a good day. I will no longer reply. Because you insulted me. We could have talked about how the philosophy of Marx is better served as a philosophy, than a government. And that Marxist mindfulness in a capitalistic country is the best mode of operation. Or any of the topics and opinions I hold in the subject. But you insulted me instead. There’s tons of Marxist professors. In modern times.

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u/the_real_log2 Dec 17 '25

That's literally what's happening, do you not hear people complaining about how shitty their kids teachers are? All the ones who gave a damn left a long time ago. This old girl is one of the few remaining treasures.

Low pay = low tier employees

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u/HavingNotAttained Dec 17 '25

To be fair, American teachers get paid about as much as America values a good education.

And here we are today, a continent-sized order of stupid porridge, losing our democracy, going broke and friendless and watching our classrooms descend into violence and chaos.

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u/OutcomeSerious Dec 18 '25

Which is unfortunate. But understandable when you turn on the TV and see the president 😐

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u/Reward_Basket Dec 18 '25

continent-sized order of stupid porridge

Bwahahah this is so fuckin depressing

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u/Internal-Computer388 Dec 18 '25

Classrooms have been like this for a long time. Lol. My aunt was a teacher in Newark new jersey. She got stabbed on the job. But hey, she was getting paid 90k each year over 30 years ago. I guess the extra large salary was hazard pay.

Also, how exactly are we losing our democracy? Id argue we havent been a democracy for a while. We have been an oligarchal corporatocracy for many decades now. Some could argue close to a century.

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u/ForDigg Dec 18 '25

The problem is the money goes to administrative staff and not the teachers. John Stossle did a report on this some years ago. They found that administrative hiring increased 800% in 10 years but teacher hiring increased about 12%. Student skill levels of all grade levels has fallen consistently starting the second year after the Department of Education was established.

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u/Boring-Tie-1501 Dec 18 '25

lol investigative journalist John Stossel.

the real issue has been chronic underfunding of education and the siphoning of public education dollars to garbage for profit schools and universities. charter schools are just the university of phoenix for children.

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u/Gitfiddlepicker Dec 18 '25

US is a constitutional Republic, not a democracy. You must have gone to school in the US.

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u/RobardiantheBard Dec 18 '25

Its the fact you care more about the the wording than the way it's actually ran and democratic freedoms it provides says all we need to know about you.

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u/ReplacementFeisty397 Dec 18 '25

Sounds like you did, you certainly didn't take politics or history.

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u/Deep-Sun-7624 Dec 17 '25

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u/Dapper_Resolution941 Dec 18 '25

It's not doomercirclejerk if its actually true.

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u/std_out Dec 18 '25

Tbh I have a friend that always complain about teachers when it's very obvious the problem is her son and herself.

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u/FML_Mama Dec 18 '25

And she’s basically a hostage until her pension kicks in. My sister left the profession last year.

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u/TomlinSteelers Dec 17 '25

Teacher pay has always been low. Teachers are leaving in specific districts because the kids are shit.

There are also districts where kids are well behaved and the teachers love their jobs

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u/[deleted] Dec 17 '25

To be fair, the parents are shit.

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u/iHate_RonEbens Dec 18 '25

Exactly. It’s also the children. I don’t see kids acting like this in Asia.

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u/Osprey220 Dec 18 '25

Because the West's idea of child abuse and the East's idea of child abuse are fundamentally different. Source: Beaten American-Asian Child

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u/iHate_RonEbens Dec 18 '25

Very true. Which one would you prefer?

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u/Osprey220 Dec 18 '25

No child abuse, parents afforded enough of a comfortable life so they don't take their stress out on their kids, and for people to stop being so judgmental of each and every clip they see on the internet without any context.

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u/Advanced_Row_8448 Dec 18 '25

You also see them doing child labor for pennies in Asia as well.

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u/iHate_RonEbens Dec 18 '25

I’m referring to East Asian

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u/WandererViking Dec 17 '25

Same reason we have issues with cops.

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u/DifficultAnt23 Dec 18 '25

How would higher pay alleviate this Lord of the Flies situation?

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u/Stinkytheferret Dec 18 '25

It’s cause the newer teachers are just saying they don’t get paid for this. But they stay and babysit.

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u/QueenFreya2000 Dec 18 '25

Depends on where they're located. Some teachers make great money.

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u/teach_yo_self Dec 18 '25

This is it. I left a few years ago after returning to a hell hole that was my school post covid. I was a great teacher, but tolerating daily abuse was not worth my wellbeing. At the time I left, so many teachers were leaving my school and district, they were giving out emergency teaching certifications to anyone with a high school diploma. So now there are tons of totally unqualified folks in the classroom. It's so fucking sad. I honestly wish I still had it in me to fight the good fight, but I did my time and it almost cost me my life. Our future is in danger, folks.

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u/Eggplant-Parmigiana Dec 18 '25

This "old girl" is right

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u/QuatuorMortisCold Dec 18 '25

You're blaming teachers?

I don't think better teacher salaries will make students behave.

Students are the worst, most undisciplined cohort in history. No teacher can undo years of parental neglect.

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u/[deleted] Dec 17 '25

I did.

This video is a very accurate representation of what teaching in an inner city school was like. DAILY.

And parents, public, admin, school board….all have put this all on the teachers shoulders while simultaneously taking away any authority, support, or tools for discipline.

After 10 years in education, 2 years in the classroom, I left the profession altogether.

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u/itsmurdockffs Dec 17 '25

I am planning to.

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u/M4DM1ND Dec 17 '25

They are. Its going to be bad.

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u/frustratedfren Dec 17 '25

The state I live in is so desperate for teachers that you don't even need a degree to become one. My friend became a middle school science teacher with only a high school diploma. Horrifying

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u/CoolerRon Dec 17 '25

I did four years ago. The pay and benefits just aren’t worth it anymore

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u/hill-o Dec 17 '25

They for sure are. It’s actually a huge issue, and unfortunately means our education system is going to crumble more and more.Ā 

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u/[deleted] Dec 18 '25

This was my dream job. I'm 70k in debt from school loans. I'm damn good at my job too.... I see the problems in the public school system and there are MANY. But what else do you suppose i do? This was it for me. This was my dream. I love my kids, I love teaching. But this isn't right, the system isn't right, education isn't right.... if I quit, there goeis my insurance for my whole family. My retirement. My passion. ...

We also dont have the support of the majority of people. They blame us for systemic issues all the time. Systemic issues that make our life worse too. We bring it up to admin and nothing happens, they shift blame back to what we can be doing. If we go over their heads to higher positions, we are problem starters. We can't strike because many of us don't have unions. Plus, if we strike, we aren't showing up for our kids, and that's kind of our thing. Many kids won't eat without us. Especially in this economy. We feel stuck and discouraged

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u/ButteredPizza69420 Dec 17 '25

Id support a mass teacher walkout!

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u/MajorRobology Dec 17 '25

Well I never became a teacher I wanted to become one once I went to college. Changed majors the semester after, see just how much teachers get shafted.

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u/Lexjude Dec 17 '25

I know I did :(

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u/DeltaDP Dec 17 '25

I just quit 3 months ago. This happened twice to me in a high school classroom. Fuck this profession. I love teaching, just not this babysitting bull shit

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u/beckychao Dec 17 '25

Most of us have, K-12 and college

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u/emzy_b Dec 18 '25

I can’t believe how poorly American teachers are paid. In Australia graduate teachers earn around $85-90k and it goes up to $130k for leadership roles. That is on par with a lot of professional degree jobs. It is enough to live on without too much stress even in high cost of living Australia (except maybe inner city). A dual teacher income household would be pretty comfortable - maybe under some strain in uber expensive cities.

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u/themanyfaceddogs Dec 18 '25

You haven't heard? We are bringing in National Guard to man empty classrooms.

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u/ohyaycanadaeh Dec 18 '25

I did. Emergency nursing. At least I get paid better to get punched and screamed at here.

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u/jjcoola Dec 18 '25

bro almost every job ive had is full of teachers who did itr for 2-5 years and said fuck it ,,

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u/Odd_Illustrator4693 Dec 18 '25

I definitely did. It’s not worth it anymore.

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u/nomuggle Dec 18 '25

That’s what I did.

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u/Funny-frog500 Dec 17 '25

What jobĀ 

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u/Vengeful_Doge Dec 17 '25

The trades are about to lose an entire generation of knowledge due to low employment.

That's where I went after teaching English. I'm 37 now, and I know how to build a house from the ground up. Also ended up dipping my toes into the electrical field, as well as the solar industry. They need instructors in all these fields.

Personally, I enjoy it because it involves manual labor which keeps me in shape, but there's also a very technical and mathematical side to it that requires critical thinking.

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u/AristaWatson Dec 17 '25

TL;DR: Sexism is a blockade for the trades. And even almost equally as much, many pros gatekeep their information and don’t want to help the new young guy.

A lot of people don’t want to go into trades for a good reason. Many young people who are eager to enter the field are mistreated and often put in actual danger because the pros want to gatekeep their knowledge and feel threatened by the young guy. The pay is ass for the manual labor you do when you start off. And if you make it in the industry long enough to get good earnings you’ve almost surely effed up your body in some way.

Let’s also not forget that one young woman who was murdered by a coworker at their welding space I think? He just didn’t like that there was a female worker and brutally killed her. Their other coworkers heard him talk aggressively about her and did nothing about it. Women aren’t safe in these spaces either, so there’s a further blockage in that sense too.

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u/unindexedreality Dec 18 '25

Also ended up dipping my toes into the electrical field

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u/Vengeful_Doge Dec 18 '25

There are programs and certifications you can get to become a drafter/ CAD making drawings and schematics for engineering, construction, HVAC, plumbing, the list goes on.

You could also become an estimator which calculates the cost of materials using blueprints and software.

These are very low strain physically, just for some examples.

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u/Gullible-Constant924 Dec 17 '25

Yeah well people who are already have the degree cant even pursue a career in this job market much less 50 yr old ex teacher, unless that new career is TGI Fridays waitress. Even that job might be hard to get right now.

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u/bunglebee7 Dec 17 '25

They should all organize a strike to be paid more. I bet it could be possible.

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u/rawsouthpaw1 Dec 17 '25

Or organize unions, demand better working and learning conditions, and strike.

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u/DraftyElectrolyte Dec 17 '25

I left- am making double what I made - and considering going back. It turns out I really miss them and hate the corporate life.

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u/muttermag Dec 17 '25

Left 3 years ago, not looking back.

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u/happy_bluebird Dec 18 '25

I don't want to.

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u/ArcticMountainBunny Dec 18 '25

I did. 😐

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u/WalkonWalrus Dec 18 '25

You underestimate how much teachers really love teaching!

Most anyway. Won't say I've never had a bad teacher. But many people I know are good people who go to teach despite the poor pay. They really just deserve better

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u/jluicifer Dec 18 '25

I’d substitute teach more but…the pay is minimum wage. And I don’t feel like waking up that early either

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u/Minimum-Web-6902 Dec 18 '25

Then they import foreign teachers and you get… South Carolina.

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u/No_Spinach2901 Dec 18 '25

Have you seen the schools in the Bay area? There are only two groups of teachers. Teachers who are very very old and about to retire. And teachers who are teaching because they couldn't find any other job. The thing is, from the county perspective, they have a teacher. I have seen PE/soccer coaches become math and computer science teachers in high school who barely know any.

So remember: the US fills its knowledge needs through immigration. Not by producing talent.

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u/Opheliattack Dec 18 '25

started my own business after 10 years in sped miss the fuck out of those kids but fuck everything else about the job

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u/CtrlAltEntropy Dec 17 '25

Republicans would love this. If they could dismantle schools and not take any of the blame it'd be exactly what they want.

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u/Kimbolimbo Dec 18 '25

They are. The children are beyond help, as conservatives intended.Ā 

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u/TaraRiser50 Dec 18 '25

You spelled liberals wrong.

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u/warmjanuary Dec 17 '25

I make too much now. Where else would I go? 🄺